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Thief Sin Guide

Discussion in 'Jobs' started by 0000, Jan 7, 2022.

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    im no longer updating this guide, thats why i deleted it
     
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    Hey nice guide, I do have a few questions though..

    If its possible to double/triple wash would that be the better go to or would stale washing still be better?

    If Dark Sight gives the ability to ignore monster's touch by walking through them then why would Disorder have 4 points?

    Why would Claw Booster be at 10 points even if it would match the uptime of Haste, in most cases wouldn't Lucky7/Triple Throw be held down to attack?

    If Hermits have Flash Jump and are able to jump and attack at the same time why would it be useful to max out Shadow Web?

    Looking forward to your reasoning towards this setup, its nice to see other ranged enjoyers.
     
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    Thanks SlimeSmile

    I put 4/20 points on Disorder during the 2nd job because I will later anyway put more points into it and I dont have anything else to put it on expect for Drain which I don't use

    Claw Booster has 10 points because its just nicer when grinding to have both buffs be same duration

    Shadow Web isn't that useful but I figured since you dont have anything better to put points in, it probably would be useful in some cases though

    I dont understand what you meant with the washing part
     
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    A decent start, but a few things I'd mention:
    This is good advice for people new to the game/washing, but if you have a very lofty HP goal, stale washing will probably be necessary. I don't know if you want to explain washing in depth in a class specific guide, but it's probably a good idea for people to know there's more to the story, at least, and that they should look up a specific HP washing guide for this.

    I would 100% max Avenger before Shadow Partner and use it for grinding wherever possible. It's much faster to grind with Avenger than Lucky 7. Assuming you're able to hit 4 enemies consistently, it should do more total damage than L7 even at level 1. Around that level, Windraiders are a popular grind spot and it's very easy to get 4 in your crosshairs there. As for the order between Shadow Partner and Avenger: raising Shadow Partner from level 1 to level 30 gives a roughly 24% increase to damage. Raising Avenger from level 1 to level 30 gives a roughly 177% increase to its damage, and that's ignoring the fact that it hits more enemies as you level it up higher.

    That being said, this is also a level where a lot of people like to leech. If you are doing that, and especially if you're leeching yourself rather than buying leech, Meso Up is probably the most useful skill to max first. It's just free money.

    Your 4th job skill order maxes shadow stars before shifter. It makes more sense to max shifter first in my opinion.
    Shadow stars at level one gives 93 seconds for 200 stars. That means a single stack of 1000 (BFs or Hwabis) gives 7 minutes and 45 seconds. For Ilbis, it's 6 minutes and 12 seconds. Even with ilbis, if you just have 16 sets of stars (roughly 8m at current market prices, I believe), shadow stars 1 gives you 99 minutes of stars. Of course, you won't be rebuffing perfectly all the time, and you can get dispelled, but it's not like this is on the edge at all. That's easily enough for two runs of any pre-HT content. Even if you're messing up a lot, you should still be fine without needing to recharge between runs. At HT level, you'll have both maxed so it becomes moot.
     
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    this point about shadow shifter is especially true because some of the best exp for an NL in early 4th job is Zak, and having shifter in Zak is *way* more useful that having shadow stars. One point in stars is enough. Having max shifter by 140 will be great for your damage, pot use, and quality of life.
     
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    bruh, this is big brained.. I'm gonna do this too. +1 agree
     
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    I'm gonna mention stale washing in the washing section later, Avenger and Shadow Shifter i'm also gonna change in the guide since you have some good points. Thanks for the feedback! joymush
     
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    I would recommend maxing dark sight in first job over nimble body because I'm pretty sure dark sight overwrites your speed buff unless maxed.

    Claw mastery doesn't affect lucky 7 damage, so it's probably more efficient to max haste+booster first unless you value the extra stars more.

    MTKs have a level 50 limit, in case you try to KPQ with them.
     
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    Theres a bug where you can use Nimble Feet before Dark Sight and have it on for whole Dark Sight duration as long as its not maxed, I also like the accuracy Nimble Body gives

    I forgot about the Claw Mastery thing not working with Lucky Seven, thanks for telling me I'm gonna put Booster before Mastery now and fix MTK SlimeSmile
     
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    Would just like to clarify if this is indeed a bug? Knowingly taking advantage of a confirmed-bug is probably not a good idea.
     
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    Just to clarify something I've said, I would still put a single point into Shadow Partner before maxing Avenger. That first point gives a 21% boost to damage. The ~24% increase I quoted was going from 1 point to 30 points, not going from 0 points to 30 points.
    Level 1 shadow partner: gives 21% skill damage
    Level 30 shadow partner: gives 50% skill damage
    1.5/1.21 = 1.24 (rounded to 3sf)
     
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    Added more gear, stale HP washing, MP washing and other stuff
     
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    I believe this has been patched :(
     
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    Did you try both maps before Red Slimes? :writing:
     
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    Still works
     
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    You're missing 'Drain' as one of the 2nd job skills. You can max that instead of 'Shadow Web,' because you can actually utilize maxed drain while you'll probably never use shadow web or meso.
     
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    Looking like a nice and easy to use guide.
    I think ninja storm is worth including in 4th job skills. I'd personally max it before taunt and venom star, but I could also see an argument for taunt>ninjastorm>venom depending on your play style
     
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