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Making Heros Useful Again

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by datahush, May 9, 2022.

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    We just have no good hero representation anymore. Imagine how shit bowmasters would look without Serperior.
     
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    This entire thread had a little bit of everything, I can't wait to see more of this saga unfold.
     
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    yall would still have the most sought after party buff in the game versus heroes who have rage o.o
     
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    Marksmen have SE
     
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    It's not like BM isn't S tier class, and they have their own qualities, you don't need SI, and are better at HT, being good at PB and the best at HT (and not SI reliable) for me its good enough to balance the archers, HS30 is very good too, non-stationary bosses like Nameless and later Auf Haven can make BM shine, anyways, most people go for BM, even with more expensive gears seems like BM is very reliable in every meta, we have representation on BM because they're good AF, we don't have representation on heroes because they're bad, almost every endgame hero probably re-rolled.
    It's just almost impossible to 100% truly balance then, because they're almost the same, ranged attackers with SE, if you think being better at HT isn't enough, well, for me it is, atleast if i choose one archer, i'll go for BM for sure
     
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    marksmen rely on SI brother
     
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    Damn... new to the forums and come to find my dawg ovv is fighting to the DEATH that heroes are perfect and need not be touched... meanwhile every hero I know is re-rolling because the whole server memes us... the whole ML forum voted us the worst class in the game (we lost by a landslide)... a total of 2 heroes run pink bean on any of the many groups that run (and that's because our friends host LOL).... I can't even name an active hero that plays the class like ACTUALLY plays the class.... I myself, as a hero main, don't want a hero to run on any of the content I do on my NL, other than cwk (yes not even in my 6man HT's because if we're taking a cleave we may as well get some HB out of it)... Sadge. Truly sadge.
     
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    Reread my posts. Not once did I say heroes don't need to be rebalanced. I'm just saying current hero players just suck.
     
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    You're just dick-riding your friends. Heroes don't require ANY skill to play. Shit, they don't even need good gear.
    [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    we suck because we're not worth playing

    edit: there are no good hero players because the class is dog shit and not worth investing in
     
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    so if you dont have 10b worth of equipment like you, youre a bad player and your dmg should suck. meanwhile low funded ranged
    outdmging heros when they still have int.
    good to know!
     
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    Do tell me, specifically with numbers, what it would take to make heroes good. What kind of damage do you think heroes should be doing?

    Lots of people lacking reading comprehension skills in this thread.
     
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    I don't know what would make heroes good. I don't have a solution to such a complex problem. But what I am sure of is that heroes are NOT okay how they are now, and I'm pretty sure almost anyone would agree. The fact that there hasn't been a fair and balanced solution proposed yet doesn't invalidate that there exists a problem.

    edit: I hope you're not talking about me when you're saying people are lacking reading comprehension skills :)
     
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    So if hero mains themselves cannot figure out how to improve their own class and do not know what to even ask for, how do you really expect staff to figure that out?

    Reading through all the complaints, the comparisons I see are only in relation to other class’s damage.
    If it’s damage that you want, is that not resolved by investing more into your character’s gear? If it’s more top end damage, how much more? If it’s inclusion, does that not come after you prove your class to be worthy or unworthy?

    You said it yourself - you can’t name one hero that has geared their character with end-game equipment like all the other classes that are being represented with 20b+ in gear, so how can you draw any conclusions with zero demands in mind?

    I’ll repeat myself again - I’m not saying heroes don’t need some type of rework. Feel free to quote whatever I said that makes you feel like I said that. We don’t even know what heroes are capable of doing because nobody has stepped up to fill in that role of top player since jdp left, and that was over a year ago. Without knowing that, how can you possibly make demands?
     
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    a) YES I can expect staff to figure out how to fix heroes, even if I myself can't think of a solution, that's not my job, I work 50hrs a week and I'm in the gym 12 hrs a week. I play the game, it's not my job to fix it.

    b) If one hero rises to use 50b in gear to get a 3.2m dpm20 on pb again, that won't change anything, the issue is not how geared any hero is the issue is the CLASS. Period. The answer to your question "isn't your damage issue resolved by investing more in your gear?" is NO. That does not fix anything. We DO know what heroes are capable of doing based on how they perform with average gear, by comparing them to how other classes perform with average gear. JDP leaving (which was less than a year ago not more than a year ago) has nothing to do with anything. One super-funded person representing the hero class will not change anything.

    No one should have to prove their class is worthy, I don't know why you imagine that to be a solution. Try again please :)
     
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    So what do you think is the top-end HT DPM 45 by a fully funded Hero?
    What do you think should be the top-end HT DPM 45 by a fully funded Hero?
    What do you think is the top-end PB body DPM 20 by a fully funded Hero?
    What do you think should be the top-end PB body DPM 20 by a fully funded Hero?

    These are simple questions, and you refusing to even approach these questions while complaining something needs to be changed does nothing.

    To expand on a previous point:

    So what do you think is the top-end HT DPM 45 by a fully funded Bowmaster?
    What do you think should be the top-end HT DPM 45 by a fully funded Bowmaster?
    What do you think is the top-end PB body DPM 20 by a fully funded Bowmaster?
    What do you think should be the top-end PB body DPM 20 by a fully funded Bowmaster?
     

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