Melee vs Ranged.

Chalk it up to difference in opinion then. If I were hosting Auf I would absolutely take the Shad over most ranged. I don’t run Toad because that fight is a huge waste of time but same goes for that as well. And while Shad dpm in HT is underwhelming I still would rather have a Shad sed than any other class.

Shad in PB is also very very nice.

 

Paladin is also the best DPM class in the game for Auf bar none by a huge margin so it’s hardly a fair comparison. The perfect Auf group would just be 2 buccs and 3 paladins but there’s not enough endgame paladins on the server to really do that.
Also you’d be surprised how not common Sed muling is in HT. Everyone talks about it but only a handful of players even have sed mules and are capable of piloting them.

 

One thing to note as well is fights li

I disagree personally. Fights like Auf don’t fail from lack of DPM they fail because too many people die. Bringing a class with reliable damage that isn’t a liability is huge. People don’t value Shads for their damage at Auf they value them for their safety and consistency. Defensive picks are extremely good in Auf.

 

Shads survivability is tied to Shifter not Smoke.

 

Since MM and Shad washing values are identical I would compare them at equal Hp amounts and I’d imagine at any given Hp the Shad is significantly more likely to live than the MM.

either way there’s not really a lot of MMs.

 

Guys, you read/saw something of Lin movie/data about auf?

 

He have alot of data of diferents class running

 

I'm not sure what's going on with the discussion all in whole, but it seems like an ever more intensified one than the thread that was probably on "talking point" very recently if you know what I mean. Well, just my personal opinion here, melee players are not as fun per se to play in terms of having barely any active attack skills than the magicians and of course ranged classes would possess. And also in generic summary, ranged classes has LESS HP than melee characters do...

 

Would just like to comment that both of those 7m and 8m dpm BM posts for Toad were actually after the bug fix, which was done with the anniversary/summer patch in early August. I archive any dpms from that thread that end up being outdated due to significant changes.

 

Were they really? Why does mine feel so low wtf I get like 15k lines

 

Also, somewhat unrelated to the overall conversation but I've been looking for an excuse to post my CWKPQ stats and this looks like as good a time as any.


The 4-man EV increases to ~20.5m when factoring gelts at apple value, which translates to roughly 25m/hr assuming 50 minute runs. And that run EV can stand to grow even further with 3-man runs that only a strong hero/DK (or sweaty dual client attacker setup) can enable.

People really be sleeping on CWKPQ.

Link to data

 

I think the biggest issue is 50 min runs is a big ask. I have a lot of issues finding and organizing signs and finding strong enough cleave to clear that fast. Most runs end up taking north of 1 hour, longer with sign issues

also it’s incredibly reliant on having a giga cracked archer which is rare

 

I would like to believe I've run current auf enough to say I'd much rather shad than archer for any equivalent hp level. I'd prefer the archer than a hero/dk as well though, assuming the archer knows how to survive if not stupid washed.

And I'd rather pally above all else, but that's only because element effective bonus is giga busted.