Elemental wand penalty

Not going to argue on a technicality but you get the point. I don't think there are many other weapons that make such little sense where a lower level weapon outclasses the supposed 'best available weapon' in 99% of situations.

 

I'm not too familiar with this but does this mean the timeless/nt/dragon equivalent of these weapons are as valueless as elemental staff and timeless wands?

 

90% are mules and the remaining 10% are only playing because they can use ele wands. Well those are assumptions there that I can't really comment and it more seems to be a personal opinion.

 

If the point is that higher level polearms deserve a buff I am all for it.

 

Not sure if you followed my above comments, but the post is not about nerfing bishops in comparison to archmages. I am in full favour of making changes to the wands to nerf archmages as well. It is about wand variety and finding a use for obsolete weapons.

I think we have wandered too far from this and you are just fighting hard to justify that bishops have bad damage. I do not disagree, but I dont think this is a main issue, since like you said bishops are already pathetic at damage. Would you still disagree if the proposal includes a buff to bishop skills such that they do better damage using timeless wands? I.e. buff neutral wands' tma and impose ele wand penanty at the same time.

 

Just to be clear, when you mean weakest it means single target right? Bishops are being muled for some bosses because of this and it is unlikely to be any different unless there are substantial buffs. Not that this proposal will make any difference in this regard.

But let's not pretend that bishop is just bad at everyyhing. Afaik genesis is still an incredible skill. Even if slightly, nerfed, it is still a better mobbing skill than any non-mage class, which isn't bad for a 'mule' class. So I do not think the incentive to level a bishop really decreases that much.

 

Read my previous reply to you. Again, this is not a campaign to nerf bishops to death, its about making more wands usable and making ele wands serve the purpose game developers intended. It is not even my idea, Neckson literally made the change in prebb maplestory.

I have not done the numbers like you, but surely other neutral wand stats or genesis attack can be tweaked to nullify this 'hard nerf' you are so worried about.

 

Yea you are right, I am not a bossing mage. But should any change be made only in consideration of the few endgame bosses? I reckon a huge chunk of the playerbase are casuals like me who might not sniff endgame bosses. It seems that any suggestion regarding improving this part of gameplay are just being scoffed at.

If game balance only revolves around 1 or 2 bosses, frankly I don't think any change will make a noticeable impact. There will always be classes better or worse since the comparison is so limited in scope.