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Remove NLC Pots

Discussion in 'Rejected' started by Lionheart, Jul 2, 2015.

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    Good thing warriors burn pots like crazy with hp pools exceeding 10k with no viable money source. Bishops can at least afford the pots from a viable income, other classes who want decent exp at high lvl monsters are breaking even / losing money from pots.
     
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    You're wasting your time trying to convince these people. Look at the rankings and you'll see so many bishops and mages because ulty is op and it's only op because of NLC pots.

    This topic was brought up a lot on the MS and Basil forums years ago and Neckson never went through with it.

    NLC pots are the reason Bish and Mages are easy mode and since the Bish and Mage pop is so high you wont be able to convince them.
     
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    Yet. :) Just gonna wait till you get in leech range of skeles. lol! Actually if you've never been leeched, fair enough. The statement was aimed more at the population in general. Because I know there are many leechers out there...

    Right well you see the thing is, MP costs 2x as much as HP. That is.. until we throw in other NLC pots like sorcerer elixirs, supreme pizzas, and grilled cheese...

    @Kimberly@Kimberly: please don't lock this thread until at least Ryan gets a chance to explain his view. No one else seems to be posting in favor though. :speechless:
     
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    Removing the nlc pots means making things harder for all jobs, so mages will still remain proportionally in advantage. The problem is everything would be harder than what GMS was like, and people are usually looking for nostalgia in this server over challenges. The server itself is a challenge and the fact that mages are easy gameplay was a feature too.
    Now, a change in the prices of nlc potions might be reasonable. But not a huge change.
     
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    I'm going to put this out here as a warning.

    DO NOT bash the opinions of others.


    Posts that are insulting will be deleted and that person will receive infraction according to their post.
     
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    This is my opinion about this thread:



    ᕙ Kappa ᕗ
     
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    Like I said I'm not going to bother arguing about it but you're silly if you think it proportionally nerfs all jobs.
     
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    The resemblance is amazing

    Mages raise leeching price to cover their pot burn -> Other jobs pay it anyways because most players are lazy by nature and they also have more expensive potion costs added to them if they want to solo grind or boss -> Mages end up earning tons more mesos than other jobs
     
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    In all honesty, if pots cost more, we charge more for leech, we can still afford the high priced scrolls and other people wont because they just spent all their money on buying leech.
     
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    Why is this even a topic?

    For the same reason as bishops not getting genesis gimped, this is to completely re-experience the old Maplestory. It's to make the experience as similar as it was originally. NLC pots were a part of Maplestory back then, as they will be now...
     
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    Or we could just remove the forums from the game. Because I swear any discussion that tries to take a look at rebalancing ANYTHING turns into people just trolling "lets just remove all things from the game".

    On another note, been talking to some people. As mentioned before (somewhere in this mess of a thread) maybe prices could be tweaked. Also, maybe only some individual potions could be removed or have prices tweaked. Don't want to screw over the warriors or archers and thieves! Just the bishops and my fellow mages! :p
     
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    People would take your post more seriously if your point was more valid. Removing mp pots won't change anything for mages considering that they would only charge more for leech to make up for the loss of pot money. People are still going to pay for the leech and mages will still come out on top. Your idea isn't re-balancing anything.
     
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    i'm REALLY sick of posts like this on every big discussion on the forums. If you want to state your opinion or add something to the discussion, all power to you. But no matter which side you are on in any discussion, there is absolutely no need for elitist, pointless comments like this which only have the intent of mocking the other side of the argument. Let's all be civil.
     
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    I think you're wrong. Mage may still be on the top, but we should make them pay for it. And nobody has to buy a leech. Not everybody does. You know, despite all the talk about bishops this, leeching that, the primary reason I've been pushing this was to fight inflation of mesos. Everything else like making bishop and mage's life harder is just an added bonus.

    Thanks for saying what needed to be said.
     
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    @Lionheart@Lionheart I'm not going to say I never liked but I never really thought "I like this dude" until this post.

    I wouldnt mind seeing ales, ginseng, honester, and mana @ 16k, 8k, 9k, 9k, respectiveley

    "It doesn't affect all classes the same!" Nothing ever does.

    "Leeching prices will go up!" Demand will go down and mages will sell leech just to cover some loses at high burn maps.

    "Why are you trying to make it harder?"
    Please understand that these potion make cost go down and can cut cost by 50% and even more. So even at x4 prices you will only feel a x2 x3 price when moving off regular potions and will only get better from there.

    "There is no good that comes out of this/Why have a money sink?" Having an effective money sink is a good idea for low pop servers. This pervents excess accumaltion of pure wealth, not talking about items of value, but straight money. When this occures on low populations it becomes harder and harder for new players to intergrate into the game, but that is a whole post in self right there.
     
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    Cleaned up the thread a little.

    If you have nothing to contribute that advances the discussion in a sufficiently objective manner, kindly refrain from posting.
     
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    I disagree.
     
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    The reason OP brings up NLC removes is basically because NLC has the cheapest pots. I go compare one pot just for sake of contribution (be note nothing is going to be changed, but at least you guys will see some sight why he suggest this):

    Grilled Cheese - 500 MP/HP 20 DEF buff for 30 min | COST: 500 mesos

    Now for the other pots...

    Unagi:
    1000 HP | COST: 1,100 (worse by 1000 MP, 20 DEF, 100 mesos)
    Waffle:
    300 HP/MP | COST: 600 (worse by 200 HP/MP, 20 DEF, 100 mesos)
    Watermelon
    1000 HP/MP |COST: 3,200 (worse by 200 mesos, 20 DEF)
    Ice Cream Pop:
    2000 HP | COST: 2,300 (worse by 2000 MP, 300 mesos, 20 DEF)
    Cherry Pie:
    2000 HP/MP 2 ATT buff (worse by 1000 mesos, although gives 2 ATT buff which is nothing useful)
    Melting Cheese:
    4000 HP | COSTS: 4,500 (worse by 500 mesos, 4000 MP, 20 DEF)
    Reindeer Milk:
    Pretty much as bad as Melting Cheese
    Sunrise Dew:
    4000 MP | COSTS: 8,100 mesos (worse by way too much over grilled cheese to even put here)
    Sunset Dew:
    5000 MP | COSTS: 10,200 mesos ^ ditto
     
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    You've really gained my respect over all of these posts @Lionheart@Lionheart . Proud to say my Ranger is in your guild.
    You argue your points smoothly and you're well spoken in that manner too. If anything I wish there was more people who'd bring up
    points (as well done as this) that went against the public opinion. Because these kind of threads bring discussions and ways to see how people on this server think.

    But I agree with Loki:
    Basically, you're riding into a battle where odds are strongly against you. I'm not saying its bad, you probably know it well yourself.
    I wouldn't really have made this post if it wasn't so one-sided. Feels like you're shouting in a cave and not getting any positive echos back.

    I'm all about making games extra-hardcore-difficult-rough-laborious-teethgritting hard but that's just my opinion.
    And that is why I also think your idea isn't bad. Everyone here are talking as if LEECH has to be part of the game. There's no world without it.
    I play Islander currently and I love it here being able to whack things with basic attack and always getting the same amount of EXP.

    Maybe removing them(NLC pots) is too drastic, either way I can live with both solutions.

    Just wanted to come here and give you my vote because after reading some posts it feels like picking up on someone who's bringing up a solid idea.
     
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    I liked the post, cuz i think there has to be some kind of change Kappa

    Maybe just make the nlc pots 2x as expensive instead of removing them or something, should still be cheaper than everything else in the long run for high lvls ?
     
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