Updated Scroll prices (new guide with user enterable info)

i actually started looking at this a bit, and checked on some prices. its pretty accurate and i think its cool people post when they buy stuff to keep everyone in the loop. just glad there arent any people trolling super hard. looks cool! and tbh, no disrespect but the old scroll scroll (after piety's) it wasnt that great and confusing sometimes its better to just browse through the fm and find the prices.

 

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hey i already noticed some ppl added outrages and weird high prices, maybe u should make a option to report a fake entry or something, or check it from time to time to remove the entry's that are way off
for the rest its an awesome guid, been telling my guildies to visit it !!!

 

This concept is nice,but it allows the market to be manipulated by everyone. therefore the additional prices should be previewed by you (or staff) and confirmed with owls. keeping the market stable and avoiding noob-trades is an important part of holding a successful server (I think we all saw that after C++'s guide),therefore i think a staff should be in charge of updating this price check list as they can generate as many owls as they please and also to avoid manipulation of the market by the creator himself,

 

If the market is manipulated by everyone, the prices are more than likely to be correct since I take it that most ppl will report the correct price. I think what you mean is that the market can be manipulated by ANYONE.

Staffs shouldn't be allowed to generate as many owls as they want as they have non-gm accounts too. By using as many owls as they want, it can be considered abuse of power (owling their own stuff)

If the prices are vetted only by the owner, then there is a possibility of the owner manipulating the prices him/herself.

I've had a look at the scroll guide, there's a few entries that are off or not present. Another issue is that there aren't sufficient data for some of the fields (helm int 70, single entry for 1.5m, eye int 30, 3 entries for 4m, 4.5m, 10m)

The problems with the guide that I've seen so far are as below.

1. Insufficient people submitting prices for scrolls

2. There isn't an approximate price for all scrolls

3. Anonymous data entry

4. Trolls in the future

Suggestions:

1. Do what c++ did and look through ALL the scroll prices for a couple of days in order to have a base line

2. Usernames should use IGNs that can be found under rankings that are > level 50 (or some moderate levels, if there is a blatant mistake, at least dm-ing the person is possible)

3. Have a report function or at least a "suspicious" rating

 

EVERYONE can manipulate the market,not EVERYONE will,but EVERYONE sure can.
saying "I take that most people will report the correct price" is relying on probability and luck.
Also, I trust GMs to be trustworthy to not "abuse their power" and even if they do,they are forced to share this information with the whole server in this thread, that means everyone gets the same knowledge about scrolls which doesn't give GMs that have non-gm accounts an advantage.
Registering with "ranking" IDs can be used to troll certain players,for example i call my self Angbak and report GFAs 60% to be 5mil,you'll get whispered for that so whats the point?

Making such a thread as C++'s will take ALOT of time (not even to mentioning updating this thread as prices change)for a regular player, and since a price guide is an essential factor for a stable and non-abusable market, it should not be in the hands of a regular community player,but a mod/gm/staff.

 

yea i agreee, so u kinda can use the not up to dat guide off c++ in combination with the new price guide, so u can make a balanced disicion of what scrolls are valuable and whats not, and try to use the new guide to make ur price more accurat

 

Ciffy This is my feedback of it:

COSMETICS: The color coded chart and use of various font sizes and bolds of C++'s guide made it easier to follow. Since your guide is table based -- would you tweak those? Need a team? Need help?

ERRORS: I need a way to remove my own error. The other day I accidentally posted a price on it when I should not have done it. While putting scrolls up in my shop and looking up prices -- I got confused and posted my ASKING price on your website. I then immediately realized that I only am supposed to put the 'SOLD' price but could not find a way to remove my mistake. At least in this case I was honest and put my actual IGN in there (MrRogers) (there... I snitched on myself boo hoo hoo).

ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS/FEATURES:
I want a function that lists/calc's the average price point and standard deviation of the listing an item (I believe adding a row with this function is possible, no?); It is what made C++ so appealing for me.

I enjoy the feature "Last few entries"; it's almost like getting a free owl service in a way ~~ . So thank you for that!


FINAL THOUGHTS:
Please don't get discouraged! This is a revolutionary idea and it COULD work!! It is basically C++'s google docs guide but has the feature of seeing the sales trend through individual postings due to the timestamps. I think you could even auto-generate a visual GRAPH of each item's sales-over-time!!!!

It only takes time to get this thing rolling as far as getting more people involved and thus generating a more solid baseline; I'm looking forward to this but want to see better visual appeal and perhaps the standard dev+avg price calc'd on a separate row. <3

 

This could be rectified by a big buyer beware. How easy to add to this guide makes it easier for a large audience to start using it, but also makes it susceptible to fake or inaccurate entries since there is no way to stop them. This needs to be communicated clearly to the user before they use the guide to make any sort of decision. It can be done so in the form of a big disclaimer that says something along these lines:

"What is listed here is a report of what other people have paid for these items. Users should use discretion while using this guide, as the prices listed here do not necessarily represent the item's true value. Compare to recent market trends and peer to peer price checks before making decisions based on this guide."

The problem right now is getting people to use it. This will be difficult given it's winter time and people are in school, so there's just a smaller player base to potentially use it. It should be bugtested and redesigned before summer when it will really be an effective addition to the server.

 

As proof, I sell the following:
Squishy Liquids - 10 Mesos
Orange Mushroom Caps - 15 Mesos
Green Mushroom Caps - 20 Mesos
Horny Mushroom Caps - 300 Mesos
Charm of Undead, Tails (Evil/Curse/Cold) - 500 Mesos
Lupin Bananas - 400 Mesos

I sell it, people buy it. =o)

 

EDIT: Shortened comments for easier read.

I just realized you have a top menu with filter options ('just show'); However, the font could be changed from Times New Roman to something smoother like Tahoma or Helvetica. Colors might be confusing; you might be correct about that.

I suppose that would be best. A step further would be to include a text box for optional comment but not sure if that is too much work.

 

I had it down the moment I knew I was going to be Staff, before you even asked.

But yes, Staff shouldn't (and won't) have a hand in prices or the overall market outside of doing things like balancing event drops to not completely destroy said market.
The beauty of Maple's market is that it's fully controlled by the playerbase; all the Staff team needs to do is to not blow it up with implementations.

 

Basically,you're saying you DON'T want moderators to get involved with the free-market prices,and then mention how YOU REMOVED C++'s guide because YOU DECIDED that "the guide was no longer providing up-to-date info"? (ESPECIALLY WHEN SAYING "When a staff member is the one that does the price stuff it means its seen as 'official' and 'corrected' which is not always what those guides are"). When i made my suggestion i took into consideration that if the "official" mods removed the ONLY price guide thread on the forums so they'll be willing to make a new one (or help in making a new one). Saying that it makes the prices "official" can be simply solved with the same disclaimer Marc Antony mentioned.

When i mentioned making full and updated guide is hard work for one or a couple of people, i really meant it, especially when the community will hate on you on daily basis because of some mislead price/merchants that can no longer noob-trade because of your guide will definitely say shit about you, and overall you'll be getting much more hate than love and support for your hard work, just like C++.

Providing a disclaimer will sure take off the responsibility from the thread maker but what's the point? one of two things will happen;
1) People won't use the guide because it's not trustable / provides half-assed information about actual scroll prices and won't benefit them at most.
2) (which is more likely to happen) People will ignore the disclaimer and rely on this price guide fully and while the "responsibility" is not on the thread-maker, it will still cause manipulation of the market by people and benefit only the rich players of the server who can/will cause monopolization on certain scrolls (CFA 30% for example,it used to be 2-2.5m and after monopolization (I wont mention names) it went up to 8.5m and probably won't fall anytime soon.)

P.S (edit): The problem wont be solved by any of the solutions offered above,including mine. we should choose the solution with the least bad consequences.

 

idk if it interests you or not, but i worked on something of the like but interface is a discord bot. https://gogs.hypermine.com/Ra/legends i believe equips would be a viable thing to get averages on based on core stat improvements and perhaps the price of the scrolls * difficulty to pass x scrolls. Would be willling to work together, or could probably offer free hosting if you're interested. nice work! i like what you've put together

 

Website not found (404). Would you mind checking the website, or did you take it down for maintenance?

 

Hey guys.

Wanna apologize. I actually keyed in the wrong price for the scroll price list - specifically GFA 100% - inserted 200 instead of 200,000. Was wondering if i could delete it somehow. I'm so sorry. Do let me know

 

Hey i just tried to access the website. Is it only temporarily down?