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So the Ravana helm traditionally gave 18/18/18/18 stats, with 10 acc+avoid, 60 hp/mp, 100 def/mdef, 5 speed and 2 jump. Some may see this as meta-breaking but note that it only has 7 slots so it is definitely not end-game. It is also level 70 so it shouldn't affect the zhelm market for people who want to get as much INT asap. It's a budget scar helm for people who aren't planning on scrolling their helm anytime soon.

I'm excited to see the World Tour being completed! (other than some of the bosses, including Krexel)

EDIT: the helm is also ugly af

 

yea

 

Hyped af

Perfect boss for my new Dark Knight for some grinding.

Thanks everyone for your hard work! <3

 

Ugly helmets is the name of the game Neckson plays to get players to dump money on their cosmetics.

 

Well, Stumpy drops Dark Pilfer....

 

everyone will just "Trade Wins", its not really fun when you cant actually compete/do the pq. people will just grind inside the pqs.

 

It's no fun when you cant completely poop on a squad.

 

I wonder if there would be a way to prevent trading wins. One way would be to have a random matchmaking process instead of two parties signing up together, but that sounds like a lot of work to create and it would only work properly if there were many parties trying to do CPQ at the same time. Another way would be to outright ban trading wins, but that's hard to enforce and you'll get lots of newcomers complaining when they are "surprised" they were banned for something as innocent as that. Lastly, you could de-incentivize it by removing the bonus when you win or increase the bonus the longer your win streak is.

Honestly none of these options sound very good to me, which is unfortunate because while I find CPQ to be fun and nostalgic, I agree with all the complaints against it (killing LPQ, trading wins is lame, being OP)

 

One problem with CPQ is that you can compare your teams and guess who's going to win. If not, a few runs should make it obvious, unless the score is very close. Once there is a clear winner and loser, the losing team will naturally not want to go again because they know they're going to lose. That means no marbles and no exp for anyone unless there's a concession. Hence the trade wins being the most natural solution players come up with. But then that destroys the entire point, and there's no competition.

Another huge design flaw is that when the players are strong, summoning more monsters is only the equivalent of providing the other team more cannon fodder and more points that let them win. So to fix that, I would suggest only allowing a select few (say 3-5, usually the strongest) out of ALL the summoned mobs to generate points. The rest literally just are in your way.

On that note, potions drop far too much from my experiences too. And with the slaughter of mobs, you pretty much have infinite hp/mp, as there's hundreds of pots on the ground. When the players are starving, desperate for pots, that actually makes teamwork essential and the fighting a real challenge. Dying is supposed to be a thing in CPQ, and I remember the respawn room having an insane 10x hp/mp regen multiplier. Perhaps, if we'll go along with the previous idea of limiting points, also only let those special monsters drop items as well.

Now... how to avoid trade wins? Well.. here's another crazy idea. Limit the amount of times you can CPQ. Starting at level 30 (the minimum level) Spiegelman will give you a pass to participate in the next CPQ... once. After you go in and attempt to CPQ, you can't participate again until you gain two levels.

When we take the possibility for repetition out of the equation, and suppose we increase the rewards greatly as well, what happens? I think people will be incentivized to attempt to CPQ for the good rewards, and so they will try to CPQ and put together the best teams... but given the restrictions, it will be hard to consistently stick with the same teams and trade wins all the time. And if you want to get the most out of CPQ, you'd have to start early, at low level and weaker than other players.

In the end, my vision/goal would be to make monster carnival something that can't be run over and over again ad nauseum, but the few times players run it would be very fun, intense, and rewarding.

 

I like all of your points. Only the default mobs should give points+drops, and extra mobs only give exp. Once every 2 levels is pretty steep though. Maybe once a day? Makes it hard to trade wins still and hard to solely do CPQ from 30-51. I also recommend that Speigelmann (spelling?) can only be found in Ludi, so that players are forced to go there, helping populate LPQ after their one CPQ/day is done with.

 

Yeah. 1 time a day sounds cool too.