Skills and weapon balance (blunt, axe, staff).

bluelight · Jun 27, 2019

Zooploop said: ↑

I agree with the essence of the thread but it's tough because you don't want to simply equalize the damage of weapon types. In a ideal world axes would have a quality that sets them apart from swords for specific situations, but it's slightly more attack for a speed tier less of damage.

Without changing damage formulas themselves my own suggestion is to change the Speargrave versions of axe weapons. They're actually pretty close to swords, but 1h Axe is 5 more damage and fast (5) instead of fast (4). Given how weak the rest of axes are in game I don't think it's too much to ask it to be fast (4) like the sword. The 2 handed axe can be upped from 115 to 118 max to reflect the 5 more max vs it's sword variant.

With that at the least people who pick axes and stick to them can work to make themselves a strong end game weapon.
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I can pretty sure with you that even higher more than 5 att axe still have no chance to catch up with sword. The problem is the low damage of axe when it stab and when you use bandish, always 1 stab and 1 swings.

bluelight · Jun 28, 2019

Hyoon said: ↑

Did some damage testing, it's not that big of a DPM difference as most people would think.
I counted at most a 750k-1m dpm difference on 2H weapons (with SI).
And for the 1H cases they were almost identical (skull had times where it out dpmed speargrave)

What i compared 2H, Dragon Flame, Dragon Battle Axe, Claymore
What I compared 1H, Speargrave (sword), Skull, Dragon Axe

So I would assume a comparison with 2H should be comparable to claymore with the buffed speed of speargrave 2H Axe and BW.
Skull already compares with speargrave, and a compareable speargrave 1h axe should be relatively close too.

Just based on my tests, while yes the niche weapons do a little less damage the damage lost isn't that much.
People are just conformed to following trends of swords over these weapons, the tradeoff for the lower damage is cheaper scrolls/weapons.
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If you talk about the price. Its surely that scrolled a 7slot 2 hand sword will be best way while scrolled a 1h and shield need 17 slot.

Beside that building a perfect weapon ppl tend to use 10% and white scroll with the highest att weapons which are already hard to find beacause ppl usuall throw them away. I saw a player have to use megaphone and buy 10% scroll axe for att with 200k/1. And if ppl use 30% it will have chance to bomb and they have to craft a perfect max att one again.
=> Its not that much easier and cheaper to scroll sword.

As you said that with SI, 2hand sword will be the king. => If there is SI just use 2hand sword

Than for case withouth SI ppl thinks of the 1 hand with fast att speed. And if you said that that without SI skull fast (4) and dragon axe fast (4) still have chance to catch up with a speargrave fast (2), that is unreasonable (I have already caculated with the data posted by gm to test).

=> For both case, Sword is better than skull and axe. If there is SI use 2hand sword. If dont have SI use 1h sword.

4thJobHokage · Jul 1, 2019

I'm not sure if I agree or not on buffing BW & Axes. On the one hand it is nice to have options, especially if those options have pros & cons & more depth is added to the game. On the other hand this isn't old school GMS where 1H Sword 60% is 1.5m, Axe is 100K & it's hard for unfunded players to go for Swords, but they kind of have to because they're so much better. In Legends with free NX it's just easy to make mesos & Sword scrolls are 100~200K so I don't see much of a need to make Axe/BW viable.

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