Dragon Blood Improvement!

Hex beholder gives you +15atk buff in 4th job.
you can also buy coke pills which give you +15atk as well.

Magic crash > dragon blood is more useful now, since bosses like HT + CWKPQ bosses + zak arms has the attackUP buff, you can dispel it now. I would move on from dragon blood and not increase it anymore. if so, use SP resets and take points out of it.

 

No? magic crash is useless unless it will cancel the immune skill of the mob dunno the name of it? Weapon attack guard whatever

 

its called AttackUP buff. its the sword on the mobs head. CWKPQ boss does double the damage cuz of that crap. the one you are talking about is called "total crash" byt pallys.

cant tell me its useless when i know numerous people who use magic crash lol. please get off my comments, every time i comment you just send negativeness.

 

Beholder gives a +15atk buff every 20secs. so they skill would override dragon blood. if you make dragon blood stack with other attack buffs. thats way too OP imo. thats permanently +27atk buff for DKs, if you also use a party bear (+20atk + 12atk Dblood, thats +32atk, thats more OP) , which is a big jump. Magic crash can be used on specific mobs as well. (skeles for example has attackUP) a few other mobs too.

only pro i see out of dragon blood is saving mesos from buying other attack pots

 

you’re wrong,you won’t always have onyx or pills or even poor heartstoppers so the dragon blood is there for you,also about hb,you not always will get hb so that why people are hp washing... pls if you don’t support dragon blood to stack get off from this thread.

Funny thing people wants to buff your lv 200 char And yet you say no,I’ve never seen a guy like you on the internet pro players who gets buff for their fav weapon,hero,class or whatever just blessing the Devos and say thanks a lot but there is a guy like you who decide to say no which is kinda funny,you main drk and you don’t wanna get that buff well shame on you,you betray your own kind

 

Because a +12 atk buff that stacks is unfair for only one class, Where is the other classes stacked buffs? That just makes DKs stronger than they already are. Also, I’m pretty sure, the only buff that stacks with other atk buffs/pots is Echo buff. No other atk buffs stack. Like I said, beholder gives you +15atk buff every 20secs.

The HB conversation is irrelevant to this post. And actually, I didn’t betray my own class. I’ve asked about certain buffs, such as Beholder Hex working properly / Zerk % threshold being increased.

 

Dark Knights don't really need any changes, or maybe small ones at best. I do similar damage to people with similar levels of gear, but that's not very important because I enjoy playing a Dark Knight and probably would regardless of a buff. PA only isn't completely terrible, but at the same time we can't really buff every DK because of the choices that a couple of them have made. It would lead to an imbalance and an extra 12 attack would probably make Dark Knights better than Heroes in almost every way, except for at Toad or some other very hard hitting bosses.

It's an absolute falsehood to say that because a person doesn't want buffs, they're betraying their class. But to continuously demand buffs for everything and to demand overpowered content be released does betray the very principles that this server was built on. It's an old-school server, without all of the incredibly overpowered nonsense Neckson released and continued to release until the Big Bang happened and the game was unrecognizable from what it was 5 years beforehand. Anyone who has thought about game design understands that powercreep is an alienating feeling in a game and the very best developers are able to fit things in without making a lot of past content outdated. If a game is balanced right then it adds upon old content without replacing it, and opening the way for different niches to become available. That's why adding something like VIP weapons is an incredibly stupid idea, a dexless claw with 64 attack clean would absolutely break every Night Lord's build up to that point. There'd be no point to optimizing dex gear. All of the perfect weapons created up to that point would be outperformed by a VIP weapon with 4+ 10%/30% scrolls. It would break the game and make it so that all of the work people had put in until that point was for nothing.

Giving Dark Knights 12 more attack isn't that important. They're mostly balanced I've found. They fill a role and have a unique playstyle, which has made it quite fun. They aren't massively behind other classes when it comes to DPM, but they are probably slightly worse than the other warriors, but that's acceptable with HB.

I'm not against buffs. At the same time I'm not against nerfs either. What I'm for is a balanced game that remains rewarding and fun, where there aren't any truly "bad" choices for what to do. Classes should remain unique and fun, without one of them drastically overpowering the rest. That's why Shadowers could probably use the biggest buff, especially to Assassinate so they can do more than a few million DPM in single target. It's also why the afkness of Shaolin ought to be gotten rid of, and why Mannequins could probably use a 5-10% decrease in exp. If stuff like that is done, then the game would feel more balanced, and overall more fun to play.

 

Every class has useless skills. No real reason to buff a useless skill for just one class, especially such a huge buff like a free 12 attack when late in the game more 12 more attack costs billions of mesos. Dks do decent damage already and are in 95% of boss runs so it’s not like they’re in a bad state.

 

Have to agree with the other folks that dragon blood doesn't need a buff to stack with other attack boosts. IMO drk are in a pretty good place now since zerk got buffed to 55% making ginseng roots more usable. My only complaint with the class is that I would like more HP potion variety so we can heal differently based on what we're fighting. Right now I only use ginseng roots and that's not a great potion to use at some places for keeping zerk up 100%. Would prefer to have the option to use 20% 25% or 30% pots.

 

Why would that make it irrelevant when your proposition is to make the buff stack? Since multiple people can party bear that means you'll have the 32 attack even more frequently. I think you're severely underestimating the value of 12 attack. Dark Knights already have comparable DPS to other warrior classes and are a guaranteed slot for bossing, why buff their damage to the same level?

No matter what you want to suggest, a stacking attack buff is just never going to happen. The most realistic suggestion would be to make Dragon Blood 18 ATK, but realize going over all the classes making one of many "useless" skills viable isn't top priority. Less so when it's not a skill designed to be used end game in the first place. There's as good a chance of Shield Mastery being buffed as Dragon Blood.

 

In principle you could be correct that every skill should be somewhat useful, but the reality is that every single class in the game has a few skills that are completely useless. I'll just list a few for the classes I'm familiar with.

Magicians:
Magic Armour - Completely useless
Energy Bolt - Outclassed by Magic claw during 1st job and completely useless
Seal - Completely useless
Element Composition - Completely useless
Big Bang - Completely Useless
Mana Reflection - Completely useless
Doom - Completely useless

Archers:
Arrow blow - Outclassed by double sh0t during 1st job and useless
Final Attack - Completely useless (same with all the other final attacks for warriors)
Blind - Completely useless

There are many more useless skills for the remaining classes, but I'm not going to bother listing them. Because there are so many useless skills in the game, its impractical to suggest that we should buff a skill purely because it is useless. More importantly, we have to consider the overall balance effects of the buff in question. The people above probably don't disagree with you that dragon blood is a pretty useless skill, but rather that the uselessness of the skill on its own does not justify a buff.

 

Pick one.

Or just move the goalposts entirely. Getting 12 more attack currently would cost me many billions of mesos. Overall I believe it would add around 300-400k to my single target DPM and 900k-1.2mil DPM to my cleave damage. It would make Dark Knights the single best cleavers in the game. I'm not weak. None of my other lategame Dark Knight brethren are either. We all do really well in bosses, and are usually accepted among parties. Where we are right now is balanced among the rest of the cleavers. Your opinion lacks credibility because by the sound of it you lack enough experience to know exactly what an extra 12 attack would do to a person's DPM, especially at the end game.

The GMs have lives of their own. I don't think they should be wasting their time worrying about Dragon Blood when there are a dozen other things on their list of things to do first. The least of their problems is a 3rd job skill that gets replaced by the end game by a better buff, or if you are smart a pill that costs 3k, lasts 15 minutes, and stacks to 100. They're working on tweaking many skills and it's made a lot of classes more viable during all periods of play. Currently I consider Dragon Knights in the 3rd job to be the 3rd fastest levelers out of everyone, just behind F/P and CBs. They can grind incredibly fast, in many different ways, make a ton of money, and have no real need of 12 more attack during that period. Get some more characters to 4th job and you'll see that Dragon Knights don't need to be improved upon, from 70 to 120 they are machines.

If you want an actual solution into giving the skill some nuance then change it from 12 attack to 20 attack, like they had done with rage. It would also mean the devs don't have to spend much of their time completely reworking the buff system to make you happy with a currently dead skill. If it were 20 attack then it'd still be a pass from 99% of DKs but would be very welcome among people who don't want to do mixed training and also doesn't care about bossing with Power Crash.