HT timer discussion

I definitely agree with this sentiment. After playing Bishop on horntail, other classes feel super easy.

Also I really do think that a lot more bishops would be willing to try out horntail if magic guard wasn't dispelled. As it stands right now, bishops just are not getting rewarded enough for the effort they need to put into horntail.

They could just use less effort and sell leech and end up getting MORE exp and MORE mesos.

 

just remember old GMS HT did the same thing :") , dont kill the left arm and it wont mass dispel. its that easy, but people choose to take it out first.

 

Just get 5,6k hp on your bishop and ur fine if dispel happends
Kinda easy with all hp items u can get

 

The good old days oozie. Pepehands

 

Agree with this. I think people want things to be made easier without trying to learn the mechanics that are already in game. With the changes made to animations happening first it makes it possible to react to the boss rather than guessing what's coming. There are only like 4 animations to watch for (prehead sed, arm sed, left arm dispel, mid head dispel) so it's not even asking that much for an end game boss imo. I do think bishops have the hardest job in HT but it isn't so hard that something needs to be changed about it.

As to the original topic I think the timer should be increased to either 3 or 4 hours. As others have said I think 6 man HTs are just the normal run now so a 2 hour timer locks out lower level or weaker attackers which I think is unfair. It really drives a point of being a ranged character with good damage or else you're not welcome which I don't agree with. Increasing the timer length would give more freedom to take a weaker class or a newer player.

 

interesting post...

 

I just really wana solo the dragon, I miss the 12 hour timer.

 

I think a 3hr timer would be more acceptable

 

Let's push for a 6 hour timer so we can duo it.

 

Bump

3-4 hour timer would probably be ideal. I don't really want to run 12-mans, it's tough to organize all those people but finding 6 decent people would be nice. You'd just need a good bishop at the core then 5 anybodies.

Horntail isn't really for casual players anymore. Trying to get in a good number of runs every week can be fairly difficult as a 16x attacker as a lot of the hosts had to become picky with who is accepted in their squads. It's fairly tight to as to what can be done in order to effectively kill Horntail while staying in the 2 hour timer. Understandably it's only the most reliable people that prosper and there becomes a gap. If you're good then you don't have nearly as much reason to run with 2 party HT, it offers less exp and less money overall. Quite a few of the ones left to 2 party HT are those who still haven't discovered they have DC issues, or people that need HB 100%, or don't quite 100% grasp the concepts and abilities. It's even worse when trying to find a good bishop, as when a good one is discovered they're immediately nabbed by almost every 1 party squad who would take them.

Parties being limited to 6 people is a fairly large hindrance to 2 party squads. 8 man runs would probably be a lot of fun and fairly easy within a 2 hour time limit, but which 2 are left out of the main party? Currently people can only choose between running 4-6 mans or 9-12 mans. It's because of this that hosts need to be picky in small teams and the rewards are diminished in large teams, pushing all of the best candidates away and making the fight more difficult overall.

I believe that the 2 hour time limit choked out casual HT runs. It also pushed people towards trying new metas in bringing in more unique mules, and increasing the gap further. People were concerned about DPMs before the timer change, but decreasing it exacerbated reliability and DPM to new levels, as runs now hinged on incredible damage and performance in order to further optimize and lower the number of individuals necessary to kill the dragon.

Honestly I think 3-4 hours would be fair for the Horntail timer. Sometimes I just want to casually kill him, and to do it with 5 random friends/guildmates. SE would be able to die without failing the run. Or we could just bring all melee and not be too concerned about Night Lords and Bowmasters. I wouldn't care half as much if a person was really good or had really good gear, and we could run based on who we enjoy playing the game with over who we need in order to succeed in killing Horntail.

 

I agree strongly with alyosha in terms of the results. However, although the benesits described by selquin are real, I think that they are not going to last forever.

Skillbook prices dropped in the past with the long HT timer because there was lot of excess supply due to ALOT of parties running horntail. I personally would continue to run horntail even if I never made any actual profit out of the runs until I reach level 200. This is because HT is one of the MOST effective ways to gain exp for end game attackers.

Once enough people get strong enough (and finish their HH mules I guess) and start running HT consistently, skillbook prices will drop again, as supply will go up (Unless staff nerfs the drop rates on the books). These people will keep running horntail, because its fun and very solid exp.

 

Imagine if there’s no multi client in bossing

 

nerf hh i hate playing pally being called a mule

 

This... right here.

I was once in a server that has since run it’s course, but at one point was quite popular which disallowed multi-client in bosses (it was allowed elsewhere). This was done to discourage the use of mules and encourage larger groups and thus community involvement. While it was well-receive there, making a change this big to an established server would no doubt cause uproar and splinter the community. This is not exactly the same as old GMS. Disabling multi-client (even if VMware was disallowed) is also not a perfect solution as it still gives an advantage to players who own multiple PCs.

As far as the time limit goes, I’m a very new player to Legends and don’t have much experience with the community yet. I do look forward to running Horntail someday, but that’s pretty far off. As a bishop main with over 10 years of experience under my belt... I guess I have good prospects once I‘ve gotten strong and involved.

As someone who has organized runs for Zak, HT and a plethora of post-Big Bang bosses I agree that smaller squads of stronger players are easier to organize. Yes we did host 30-man HT runs back in the day. It was chaotic. It was fun. But it was a lot of stress and planning. Getting a single party together is easier than multiple, especially on a private server with a smaller population than old Maple. Throw time zones into the mix and finding a time for people all around the world to get together and HT is challenging. That said, it’s also fun to bring along your friends and see how fast you and your buds can down the baddest boss v62 has to offer without worrying about time or power.

I’m not sure what to say about the two hour timer, other than that in current Maple Chaos HT can be killed by an unfunded player in seconds. If most squads are 6-man groups that can clear the boss with plenty of time remaining then it’s not terribly relevant.

 

My opinion about this is that the 2 hour timer is just not enough, most ppl wanna be able to just make fun runs and not be picky about what classes to bring to ht. Back in the day in gms i used to do ht with ppl who had 15x chars 16x 18x 20x it all didnt matter that much cause ppl just wanted to have fun and get exp from ht and a lil split. Now with the 2 hour timer ppl only want high lvls exclude certain classes and are only whining about how much dmg you can do to beat the 2 hour timer. What i am saying is give ppl more chances to get in ht by increasing the timer to atleast 4hours which is still lower then the 12 hours oldschool gms. It will bring back the fun and make 6man cleave partys also viable to make it fair and if ppl wanna do 2-3 mans so be it that's their choice. Btw everyone that doesn't support this idea probably brings 2 hh mules to ht and just wants to keep market prices up on books so they can claim it all for themselves.

 

I agree with this the thing is that ppl want the least amount of players involved to get most amount of mesos.
That for im 165 buccaneer and iv never been to any ht since all they want is 4 nightlords 1 bm a bishop
I think to solve this issue either raise timer to 4 hours or....
Ballance classes especialy nightlord.
Nightlords without se are fine but with is to strong.
I thought about a fair ballance and the best option i came up with is cap crit dmg to 200%
That way nightlords only get crit chance from se and still helps them w.o making them op.
Either that so it wont be maple(nightlord)legends
But just a fair ballanced maplelegends.
Also a good idea is to buff cleave for buccaneer but thats dif subject tbh.
But there has to be done something to make ppl go ht on all classes

 

You are only level 165. Most of the people in legends who run 1 party horntail are playing level 18x (or higher) optimal DPS classes with very good gears.

In your case, I would suggest trying to join some large guilds that host horntail runs, or perhaps join one of the horntail discords like cross guild bossing discord.

It is defintely possible to get the "experience" of doing horntail at your level in 2 party runs, but you are probably not yet strong enough to carry your own weight in a 1 party run.

If you want to just do optimal 1 party runs for the thick mesos and exp, I think you need to focus on leveling up your character a bit more and then host your own runs. We just have to come to terms with the fact that when people host boss runs they are not going to want to pick suboptimal dps classes.