Question about hp wash a Hero to 30k

If your base int remains the same, it really doesn't matter when you hp or mp wash. If you want the extra mp, you can mp wash all you like. Just use fresh level ap for hp washing (can't stress that enough) and you're good.

 

You can easily start HP Washing from any LVL after you got HP Increase skill maxed (so like lvl 13 or 14... I don't remember exactly when it gets maxed)
You can start washing every LVL UP from LVL 30 and divide it like... 3 HP washes and 2 MP washes.
Given that at lvl 30 you have 80 Base INT

You'd be looking at 160HP + 8MP per LVL UP of washing.
You can see how having more Base INT really helps get you to that 10k mp goal you'd want.
Example is, by having 100 base int you'd be looking at 10MP per LVL UP of washing.

(at lvl 120 you'd have a difference of 180MP)

 

I've been wondering this too, but I think what Discor means is: Would mp washing allow you to hp wash more than if you didn't mp wash?

For instance, could you mp wash first, by putting fresh ap into mp and ap resetting out mp, leaving a bit of excess mp in.

Then eventually this excess mp will be enough for an hp wash, via fresh ap into hp? That would get you to 20,000 hp quicker (in levels) than if you strictly hp washed only right, at the cost of more ap resets?

 

yes ! thank you , English is not my first language , i am sorry if i am not very clear.

 

Oh yes you can.
Basically by having a ton of base INT, you're just gaining even more MP to wash for HP.

If you had 80 base INT.
In one LVL UP you would get
4 + 8mp

If you put all 5 Fresh APs into MP (and mp washed)
You'd get
(8-4)*5 = 20 MP (that means 5 washes gained in one single LVL)
So that LVL alone you gained
(20 + 4 + 8) - 4 = 28 MP for washing (so 7 possible HP washes per LVL from MP washing)

The -4 is the base MP you gain from Leveling up, you can't wash that away.

If you do this step from.. idk lvl 20 (with 80 base INT) to lvl 70
You'd get
(70-20) * 7 => 350 washes at LVL 70
That's 250 extra washes you gained from MP Washing all the way.

Hope that helped out (mathematically and from the confusion)
Else just ask again )

 

that helps a lot .
from your math i understand that if i have 40 int mp washing is meaningless correct ?

edit : so if i have to use lvl ap to do 350 washes it will take 70 lvls or i just need to use 1 lvl ap end then i can do all 350 washes in 1 lvl ?

 

Yes, with ,40 base int it's meaningless.

After MP washing from lvl 20 to 70, washing always fresh APs to MP.

350/5 = 70
You will have to start doing the normal HP wash from lvl 70 to lvl 140.

So, basically.
From LVL 20 to 70, every time you lvl up you put 5 fresh APs into MP, then buy AP reset back to base stats (MP -> Base stat)
From lvl 70 to 140 every time you lvl up you put 5 fresh APs into HP, then buy AP reset and put back to base stats (MP -> Base stat)

Of this I'm sure that by lvl 20 you will have 60/70 into INT.
So if you want more gains just use the AP reset and do this MP -> INT

 

Something does not ad up,
if i wish to do lets say 250 hp washes without mp washing and i have 80 INT then i will get 2 washes per lvl,
so thats 125 lvls and then i will need 50 more lvls to do the actual 250 HP washes,
so at lvl 20 i will have base 80 int + 125 lvls to gain the extra mp + 50 lvls to do the actual hp wash = lvl 195
and that is for only extra 12500 HP .
does it mean that if i want 30000Hp by lvl 200 i will nead extra 20000 hp which is 400 washes which is 80 actual lvls of fresh ap
and for that i will need extra 1600 mp by lvl 120 and for that i will need 200 INT at lvl 40 .

It all sound inconsistent with other info on the forum,
especially when some people say that you need 100 int as a warrior to have 30000 hp by lvl 130-140

 

Actually no, you can start washing from day zero.
So for example, let's keep it completely clear.

You have 80 INT at lvl 20.
When you LVL UP (lvl 21) you can MP Wash 5 times (that means that you can HP Wash 7 times later on)
After that you decide to just HP wash next lvl, so.
When you LVL UP (lvl 21) you HP Wash 5 times

You decide when you MP Wash or HP Wash (at the end of the day, you're still gaining that amount of HP / MP if you keep following the goals set by yourself.
For example :
I want to MP Wash from lvl 20 to 70, means I want to MP Wash about 50*5 => 250 Fresh APs into MP
And I want to HP Wash from lvl 70 to 140, means I want to HP Wash about 70*5 => 350 Fresh APs into HP

It doesn't matter if one LVL you put all into MP Washing, and the next LVL you put all into HP Washing
Because at the end of the day, at lvl 140 you will have (by rough calculation on my side)
Base HP : 9.300
Base MP (with 80 int): 1.520
Add to this base MP the 250 Fresh APs from MP (mp washing with 80 int, so 4 MP per wash)
250 * 4 = 1.000 MP

=>
Base HP : 9.300
New MP (with MP washes) : 2.520
Given the fact that by LVL 140 you will already have used your Fresh APs to HP wash the MP, you'd have (from LVL 21 to 140) spend in total 350 Fresh APs into HP.
350 * 55 = 19.250 HP
Given the fact you used 350 APs for HP, you'll have to subtract 4 MP per wash.
350 * 4 = 1.400 MP

=>
At LVL 140, if you had MP Washed and HP Washed all your APs (250 into MP, 350 into HP)
You will have
New HP : 28.550 HP
New MP : 1.120 MP

So from LVL 140 and on... you don't have to sweat about HP, it'll grow to 30K alone quite fastly (66 HP gain per LVL), so by lvl 161 you will have 30k HP.

 

From LVL 140 you can now start to MP Wash quite aggressively, because you know you don't have to get more HP from HP Washing )

So from LVL 140 to LVL 200 you can gain at maximum

( (200-140) * 5 ) * ( (BaseINT/10) - 4 )
So with 80 base INT, you can get at maximum
60 * 5 * 4 => 1.200 MP, from MP Washing
To this add the normal MP you'd gain from lvl 140 to 200 (4 + INT/10) => 60 * 12 => 720

At LVL 200 you'd have 3.040 MP

If you want I can create a sheet calculator (later on tonight, about 10 hours, to make all calculations easier)

 

Maybe in the last posts I wrote more confusion.

Basically if you don't want to MP Wash, you can easily HP Wash with the 80 INT you have.
That's 2 washes per LVL.
Basically from LVL 20 to 200 (if you keep the 80 INT) you can wash 2 times per LVL.
By only doing 2 washes per LVL you will get the same amount you could get from MP Washing + HP Washing (as said in above posts)

Because

( 200 - 20 ) * 2 => 360 Possible Washes (only 80 INT)
That means you'll have higher HP very late (in comparison to MP Washing + HP Washing)

Nope, you'll have 80 INT at lvl 20 (surely), from there you can just start washing every LVL UP (two times per LVL)
You will do the 250 washes in 125 levels.
Meaning that at lvl 20 + 125 => LVL 145 you will have finished washing 250 times

Hope you got it right now, else just throw more questions

 

this is extremely informative, thank you truly .
there is no need for a calculator, but if you can wright the hp per wash gain formula i would be grateful.

ou , yes that makes much more sense ,
for some reason i though you can hp wash only after you gather all the extra mp

 

The HP Formula for a warrior is (approximately)
(Fresh AP * 55) + LVL * 66
Where you put the level you want to be and the amount of Fresh AP you want to invest.

So LVL = 120
Fresh AP = 300
You'd have (300 * 55) + 120 * 66 => 24.420 HP

Another formula you can be interested in is: Amount of INT per LVL needed to get that amount of Fresh APs into washing
(Fresh AP * 4mp * 10int) / (LVL - 20) => How much INT per LVL you need
So in the example above you'd have
(300 *4 *10) / (120-20) => 120 INT per LVL
So you can take that and divide by 10

120 / 10 = 12 MP per LVL (the amount of MP you want to gain per LVL to later on use for HP Washing)

For MP Washing this is the formula for a Fresh AP
(Base INT / 10) - 4
So for example, if you have 100 base INT, you can gain
(100/10) - 4 => 6 MP per MP Washing

(For example in one level you can MP Wash 5 time and gain 30 MP)
Remember you can't go below a certain Minimum MP for a Warrior, and that is
Minimum MP = LVL * 4 + 56 (You can wash all MP above this number)

So Washable MP would be
Washing MP : Current MP - Minimum MP

So
Target HP : (Fresh AP * 55) + LVL * 66
Target INT per LVL : (Fresh AP *4 * 10) / (LVL - 20)
Target MP Gain per LVL : Target INT per LVL / 10

MP Wash Gain per LVL : (Base INT / 10) - 4
Minimum MP : LVL * 4 + 56

hope that helps

 

thanks Motto! All very informative

 

just out of curiosity : no one can go past 30k hp, so what do you do when you have 30k by lvl 150 from lvl 151 up ?? do people wash hp into mp so that not to loose gains ?

 

It's just wasted HP gains.
You can't regain it back, you're hardstuck at 30k HP.

 

well that is sad ... after a lot of thinking and calculation i got to a point that :
if i use 60 int by lvl 17 and my goal is 12.5k extra hp i get 2 scenarios
1) no mp washing : i need 225 washes of fresh ap which is 150 lvls (i wash wile lvling).
I get there on lvl 167, total 697500 nx .
2) with mp washing: i need 285 ap to mp wash which is 57 lvls , i finish mp washing on lvl 74, then 45 lvls to hp wash (the wanted 225 hp washes).
I get there on lvl 119, total washes 510 needed nx 1581000.

in conclusion i wanted to be smarty pants and find a way to be cheap and save time , but in the end just wasted a lot of time .
even if you dump int until lvl 37 which is 160 int you get to the goal by lvl 94,which is strange because if you have 120 int by lvl 28 you reach the goal on lvl 91 and if you have 80 int by lvl 21 you get to the goal at lvl 99.
BUT for 160 int method you spend 288 resets (892.8k nx) , for 120 int 315 resets (976.5k nx) and 80 int 390 resets (1209k nx).
so i did get some interesting data such as if you plan to mp and hp washes without gear after a certain point you dont get to your goal on a sooner lvl but you do get there cheaper.

edit: just did a little more for fun : 200 int by lvl 45 u get to the goal at lvl 99 - 837k nx to spend but if you have 260 int by lvl 57 u get by lvl 109 and spend 806k nx so you basically loose a lot of time (10 lvls) and you save only 31k nx which is 10 days , so i really think that 160 int is the sweet spot , i wonder if it is the case for all goal extra hp or the case of 12.5k specifically.

edit 2 : i did bad math , edited part with 60 int .

 

but again even when i compare mp washing with 160 int rather then just hp wash with 60 int i gain my goal 68 lvls sooner only at a cost of 63 days of voting but it is without taking into account the 100 extra int to wash back and leaching until god knows when, so yeah mp washing as a warrior is dumb . (sorry for wasting every ones time ).

 

Don't hurt yourself too much while washing a warrior.

I do MP wash on my Paladin at times, but it's just for memes.

 

i understand that especially as a warrior you don't have to , but it feels such a waste not to .
i started a character i am lvl 17 with 60 int and TECHNICALLY i can leave it as that it is enough but i have the urge to go higher to maybe 80 int .
but i already feel that the more ap i put in INT the harder it is to advance and kill monsters .
i really wanted to do a night lord but after reading about hp wash and stuff i would not go close to that class and it sucks .