Mapowner Changes

First off, I think you make some very good points. I'll get to those in a moment. But I think your frustration is clouding some of your minor observations. Do remember that this is Kimberly's server and she can make unilateral decisions day in and day out, but she's very good about listening to community feedback - and this is an issue I know has been talked about many times and Kimberly's decision was made because of complaints about low level players not being able to hold onto mapowner in other circumstances. For instance, my level 83 Sniper and Ranger could not hold mapowner at a Headless Horseman map because my characters were too low, even though the map in question was perfect for me to continue hitting him at range freely. If someone had ks'd me, I would have had no recourse. Do know that you are not ignored - the forum moderators take their jobs seriously. They've just been very busy with the server issues and the anniversary event. It's not like they have a tremendous amounts of income to hire a healthy enough staff to deal with all these issues. Your patience is appreciated.

I think the next logical step in this process is to prove that players have run into these issues. I can clearly see them becoming issues, but if - for instance - no one is bothering the Assassin training at Voodoos/Hoodoos, then them not having mapowner is not a problem. Are the maps you've pointed out ones that are overly populated that all channels are full which prevent them from holding onto that map (Himes I could definitely see as a problem map, but I don't see Pig Beach being that big of an issue). From a legal perspective, you can't bring a case before a judge without someone being harmed first. Once you have proof of harm, I think your suggestion will be fast-tracked.

 

I'm not doubting you. I think the next phase would be for others with similar problems to chime in here with their experiences.

 

I witnessed this happening recently; I went to Forest of Towers to farm textbooks, was on the left side of the map and killing things and realised when I walked right that there was a CB bombing there.

I didn't realise anyone was there until I walked right because FoT is an extremely large map, and because when I did @mapowner to check (I have it on a macro), it showed that no one had mapowner. The CB was too low level to get mapowner.

 

The mapowner system already accounted for this. No matter what level you are, you can claim mapowner by killing the highest levelled mob on the map.

Realistically, the only map in the game where 1) a character wants to train in despite being more than 10 levels below the highest mob and 2) is targetting mobs that are not the highest levelled mob, can ignore the highest levelled mob and actually may have problem killing the highest levelled mob and 3) has enough competition that not being able to grab a map is actually a problem (ie. not Pig Beach) is Lower Ascent, where characters below 70 needs to kill a stormbreaker every now and then to keep map.

 

But like fritzpud mentioned, in some maps with area bosses (ie: Crow and Bigfoot, maybe HH), you won't be able to claim mapowner unless those bosses have spawned even if you kill the CURRENT highest level monster in the map. Maybe this is a glitch with the mapowner system though?

 

And I think this is where we need visual evidence, like what RegalStar gave us - but in his case, it was evidence that this is not a problem. I recall the tweaks to the mapowner system was as Regalstar stated, so I'm confused as to which situation is our current reality.

 

Yeah, I'll try to get a video later.

 

The behaviour of mapowner hasn't changed.

The "You can obtain mapownership from level ##" message means "You can obtain mapownership (by killing anything on the map) from level ## (, but if you kill the highest level thing, you can still obtain mapownership"

 

That's only partially correct.



Take a look at this video from about ten minutes ago. You can see that the level limit required to take the map is 105. My DK is level 97. By your assumption, if I kill the highest level thing on the map, which is Himes/Dreamy Ghost (lv. 100), I should take mapowner. But I don't.

That's because the other monster which could spawn on the map is Black Crow (lv. 115). However, as you can see in the video, it hasn't spawned. So the current highest level monsters are the himes BUT because Crow could spawn, anyone under level 105 can no longer take mapowner.

This is the original problem that fitzspud had with the Rombot map. He can kill Block Golems/the other mobs there, but cannot take mapowner despite killing the highest leveled mob on the map at the time because of Rombot the highest level monster on the map of all time. Even when it isn't there! And like he said, this is a problem if he just wants to farm there for cards, or even if he wanted to try killing Rombot-- he won't be able to take map ownership even if he did want to kill Rombot, and someone could easily KS it from him/various other scenarios.

In the old mapowner system, mapowner did work as you think it does. If you killed the highest level monster on the map (even if you were levels under it), you would take mapowner. But at the moment, area boss maps don't operate this way. The himes map isn't the only exception; this happens on all the Twisted Paths in Phantom Forest too.

 

This behaviour is not new with this patch. The latest patch only shows you the level that you can freely take mapowner.

If you had done this before this patch, the exact same thing would happen. This was a gripe in the past: The example that comes to mind is someone that was under lv46 grinding at Wraiths couldn't take ownership because Shade hadn't spawned, and someone higher level came in and claimed mapowner.
This has been partially addressed by the patch, as well.

• Anti-botting mobs now are level 10 so they no longer affect the mapowner level rule.

This patch is a step toward providing transparency to avoid frustration and confusion.

Edit: sorry, I'm doing this on my phone. There is a bunch of stuff called pseudomapowner for boss spawn maps. I'd have to dig into what all of that means, but it's 0530, and I'm in bed.

 

I'm addressing your point where you said that as long as you kill the highest level mob on the map, you would claim mapowner regardless of level. The video showed that it doesn't work that way in some area boss maps.

And up until very recently, you were able to take mapowner on a map without an area boss in it if you killed the highest level mob. I know this because I have hunted hours and hours of Bigfoots and my priest was always able to take mapowner as long as Bigfoot wasn't on the map.

But I'm not here to argue about how it used to work. I only wanted to point out that this does make it difficult for players out of the prescribed mapowner range to take mapowner in a map with an area boss like Black Crow. I know this was implemented to prevent camping (probably at Anego), but maybe an adjustment could be made to the Himes map so players who can grind there earlier than 105 won't lose it just because they're not within the level range indicated in mapowner.

 

i feel we should remove mapowner. @mapowner too custom n unostalgic bring back the good old fun ks days. can kill ppl in anego and bigfoots. n ks ppl for fun if they dont say sry or pls.

 

I'm favoring in a 5 min @blockmap 'username' then that player would see Weapon Cancel and/or Magic Cancel debuff which would only have them hitting 1 damage; thus not killing the monster, after the 5 min duration would remove the debuff; or in cases refresh if no one is in the map after 30~60 seconds. This would thus stop people spamming reports for GMs to punish ksers; (this was already sort of fixed? with a @GM spam/abuse clause) of course also wasting the GMs time with a childish report, which would also not have to go in ban appeals because a said player got banned for ksing (if this was a thing; idk.. maybe?) this would also not have to revamp half of the rules, because people spammed @GM command ingame complaining about ksers a mapowner isn't going to stop someone from ksing; but a Weapon Cancel and/or Magic Cancel(both) would make them stop.

If they continued; it would only further waste their time.

Rate please; so this can be seen as sort of a 'community' vote, to further assist the staff that would be reading through this thread! (=^▽^=)

 

Sounds great!

I can’t wait to get mapowner during preheads at HT so I can weapon cancel the night lords and finally white them <3

 

But they would be in your party, wouldn't they?

 

Not if I become party leader kek

 

Not necessarily in two party runs. (Yes a ton of people still host two party runs that new 15x/16x players can easily enter)