Nerf Genins

Is this ACTUALLY gamebreaking.... I've read the post and I was also there on my low level mage but I don't see the harm in them atm. Moving around is annoying on the map, they don't drop many profitable etc items. I level a little faster to reach 3rd job??? Why nerf them???

 

Something to consider is how complex the maps are in Ninja Castle. Kind of annoying to train in.

 

The map has many platforms, many of them aren't horizontal, many of them block projectiles from passing through them, there a ton of holes in the platforms to fall through, there are no shortcuts. Who cares.

 

I still don't agree with nerfing them at all because what I posted above. The early game that this affects is so absurdly low I don't see a problem with them being the way they are. You can't farm them for mesos, you can't farm them further than lvl 50+ plus there are better areas I honestly don't see the problem. There are better maps that will earn mesos etc. Not to mention the plethora of alternatives to lvl from for low levels this is fine.

 

did you and your guildie remember that there is a 40% bonus exp going on right now for lower leveled players & that's prob why the EXP gain is extremely high at the moment?

 

I'm not going to argue for or against nerfing genins, but I want to point out that the example of 1m eph was from two people training together with SI, SE, MW20, HS, on top of the +40% exp from the event. I'm also guessing they had some pretty decent gear on them as well.

I went to test this so everyone can see what the eph is like under different scenarios.

These tests were done with a level 22/23 archer (I levelled up partway through but didn't allocate the dex) with 7/113/5/5 base stats. I was grinding alone at the genins map outside ninja castle (which is oddly named Inside Ninja Castle).

 

super useful graph! i think it really illustrates how some players see things differently and believe things should be nerfed on the basis that they themselves have access to good gear and all these buffs and can get this kind of exp when in reality, a new player will not have the same funding and resources.

i'm against changing genins. like other users have already brought up, the general map layout is annoying enough to grind on that it already has something of a nerf to it.

also, OP's personal opinion of the exp gain on it is the experience of an already funded player. it would be unfair to new players to take away a decent training spot when there is already so much competition currently on the server for good grinding maps. it doesn't seem balanced to YOU because you yourself are making it unbalanced -- in original GMS, the level of players that would be training at this map wouldn't have all of the advantages you do unless they were very, very lucky.

 

Map is fine, training there without haste is a struggle so pls dont make the new players struggle more. If anything having hs si haste mw20 echo mules and being able to go to fm to get all those buffs is op??

 

Sounds like we should ban multi clienting?

 

Yeah I noticed that too, training without haste there is absolute ass. So I just tested again with haste, coke pill, bow, and my underoos and got 225k eph--the gain from haste was almost as much as the gain from wearing att and dex gear O_O

 

Maybe we should be more concerned about making the game fun, and less about finding ways to keep it as gruelling as possible. I doubt that minuscule hour saved grinding at genins is really going to matter when people spend 5x that for a single level later ....

 

Most newcomers don't know about genin. The people using genin are those who've already 'experienced the nostalgia' factor of going through Ant tunnel and KPQ and are now trying to grind up other accounts.

If this was a bigger issue, you'd see genin channels more populated. They're not.

 

The wanted quests in Sleepywood make training on Zmush worthwhile, and the high spawn rate of Evil Eyes makes training there worthwhile too.