Skills Balance: Increase Shadow Stars time

Let shadow star apply dmg of subi(+15 watk), just like soul arrow applies +0 watk even if archers have watk arrows, than i'd agree.

For fairness.

Mate just go rcg......

(Sorry sairs...)

 

I don't think you understand how archer skills work. Soul Arrow will invalidate the attack bonus on special arrows, as if the archer is firing regular arrows (the extra damage still shows up on the stat screen, but it doesn't actually get applied).

 

You are arguing about fairness and they are telling you why the bowman skill is the way it is. NLs get to abuse a shadow star bug where you only buy 1 set of high dmg attack stars; they don't need extended duration on SS.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them petty XD

 

Maybe after they fix the shadow star bug

 

You were told why your idea was sketchy and you just start calling people petty in response and trivializing their arguments lmao.

Great way to do suggestions

 

Give me +31 attack arrows at same recharge cost as mtk and i agree

 

Well, I'll talk about this subject a bit in place of OP.

With the arrow mechanics change, even with Shadow Star, NLs go through their use slots on the same speed as BMs (200 stars = 1/5 of a slot, ditto for 1000 arrows), and faster than MMs, and they're also vulnerable to being dispelled which effectively increase their consumption even more. Of course, they can use the Shadow Star bug to slow down their consumption by using steelies which holds more stars per slot currently, but that bug is on slate to be fixed. And unlike archers, once they run out of stars they have no recourse other than throw out some shadow mesos for incredibly minor damage.

I think if/when Shadow Star bug gets fixed, something can be done about this area. Something I've been thinkiing about just now is to increase the clip size of lower tier stars so lower attack stars = more stars per slot, which also makes them nice QoL for lower level sins (and to sort of balance out the fact that unlike bullets, most stars have no level requirement meaning even a level 10 thief can be hurling ilbis around), in addition to giving them value as backup options of sorts, even if only mostly on paper. Of course, this is hinging on Shadow Star bug being fixed, because it obviously makes no sense while that bug is still present.

 

I like where this thread is going

 

While on the topic of sharing skills: shifter and avoid for everyone. No more sairs on luk or archer ragdolls in bosses~

 

Buy more stars.

 

Maybs another row of use inventory would be nice, but a shad star buff thats a heck naw dawg from me

 

I'm at 25 sets, used to run with 20 sets but ran out of stars one time in the middle of HT because I didn't recharge after a terrible 2 hour run, now I run with 25 sets. It's not like we need the use space for potions anyway.

 

only?

 

NL buffs LUL and like cervezasanta said just get more stars lmao steelies are like 2 mesos and something something shadow star bug, i personally have 28 sets because im small brarin NL that forgets to recharge

 

I didn't know throwing a tantrum and hurling insults like "petty" and "clueless" because people disagree with you gets you what you want. I should do it more often then.

The comparison between bowman and NLs seems slightly off imo. They do bear similarities in the sense that they are ranged classes that use projectiles, but in reality bowman hardly actually use arrows that give any additional attack once they obtain soul arrow. The buff to the arrow slots was intended to provide them with a more viable option to gain a boost in attack compensated through the loss slots from arrows. NLs will always use up stars regardless of shadow star or not, but they retain the additional attack damage from their projectiles, unlike bowman. Besides, despite that they are both range single-target dps, bm and mm definitely take a huge support role because of SE, while NLs exist purely for damage. The damage they deal can't be compared. Sure NLs need SE for their absolutely absurd damage, but to call it unfair that they don't have all the things bowman have is just not true and completely undermines the point of having unique classes. NLs far out-damage any other class in terms of single target with the exception of some Sairs (which are also more technically complicated and they don't even get any cushion for their projectiles), so being so overtly hostile to people disagreeing that this busted class deserves an even further buff definitely doesn't help your case. Imo staff should really only consider such changes after the shadow star bug is fixed. I don't think a buff to the duration to 180 or 200 seconds isn't necessarily an awful idea, but NLs definitely don't need it now and possibly in the future.