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Information Christmas 2020 Balance Changes [Explained]

Discussion in 'Update Notes' started by Nise, Dec 20, 2020.

  1. philip
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    Bring Safe spots back to 5-6F. Buff Shaolin. No more Pepega changes
     
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  2. Flyinpanda
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    Flyinpanda Brown Teddy

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    Are you mad because you can't afford Netflix what's with the hostility?
     
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  3. yomag
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    30m/hr+ at skeles? It's more like 15~20m/hr (10~11m from duo leechers + 4~5m from mesos/drops/gach)
    Don't remember making so much unless there is a lucky max wa king cent/GDK drops
     
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    Oradious Mr. Anchor

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    Then actually invest the money in mage gears like a real attacker instead of being a sour bean over here? Why would you expect people to take a non HP washed/tier10less AM for PB?
     
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  5. sandpickle
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    sandpickle Mushmom

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    You need to sell trio leech at 6.5m/hr. You gain around 5-6m pure mesos if you have an MU mule and sweep (and take off meso loot on the bishop), and another 5m+ from drops/gachas.
     
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  6. Vowels
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    sounds like weak unfunded pepega
     
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  7. yomag
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    yomag Red Snail

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    How do you sell trio leech at 6.5m/hr and no SI? 5m+ from drops/gachas if you hit the max wa gdk/king cent/boots
     
  8. Blache
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    Blache Brown Teddy

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    Trio leech at 6m/hr is closer to the meta these days. And I'm fairly sure raw mesos with MU top out at around 5–6m per hour. As for drops, I'm guessing 2–3m/hr on average? Maybe someone more experienced can chime in here.
     
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  9. Shivering
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    are you trolling? If you grind FP IL and bishop yourself without leeching bishop will end up with the most mesos due to the progression of training spots and the very little pot usage clerics get to use when leveling up compared to the other 2 classes.

    Also why are people arguing gene cost as a point to why AM is better; the reason gene is expensive is because a lot more people play it because it is easier, is an all in one class, and is just broken in general. The reason books are worth something while meteor and blizzard are not is because there is demand for the books to sustain the price. You might ask why is there demand? Because bishop is highly played due to how broken it is in terms of how much power is placed into their hands.

    Source: Yes, I actually have experience leveling up all 3 mages classes to 120 with no funding.
     
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  10. Shivering
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    Also I’m confident it will still be possible to sell 5-6F leech even after this change. You will just need to put in more effort and you can’t watch Netflix while doing it. Sucks but oh well. Maybe now I can start charging 12m trio as all the Pepega leechers get forced out of the market. Cya guys you won’t be missed.

    also why are so many people with 1 mage complaining in this thread. This change literally will do nothing to you LOL
     
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  11. ShadowRealm
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    Mob vac mannequins are back but now is a mini mob vac. Poggies
    Now they going to hug us again with their small arms monkaGIGA.
     
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  12. Vowels
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    I just remembered...how shadow star bug fix keeps getting away with it?
     
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  13. Shivering
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    Entire balance team dedicating themselves to stopping the Shivering meso journal. Can’t afford to divert resources to fix bugs that have been around for 5 years XDDD
     
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    Both you and Vowels may be very well-funded, but that does not mean that everybody else is.

    1. Why choose to invest in something that has little ROI?
    2. I chose to invest my earnings on my main character because of point (1)

    I know the fact that you guys are going to argue with "That's your problem because you chose not to invest in your mage", but think about it. What is easier? Joining a PB run as other classes, or an Arch Mage (investing the same amount of time and mesos)? Why is this not the case for Bishop and other classes as well? Bishop can very well join a PB run with shit equips (just enough HP).

    You guys aren't even trying to tackle the issue here.
     
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    RIP man you need to alt-tab 3 times more frequently than before lol

    but yeah. I have experience for lvling 3 classes w/o leech ~120 also. still think AM is far better. but who cares, It's just personal opinion which isn't matter. partially agree on you, partially disagree, but It's funny that who aren't actually on stage of 'that area' argue about this.
     
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    I've sold 1hit skeles leech for about 100hrs now. I've never seen ppl selling it as a trio. Someone pls enlighten me I took a break for like 2 months and just came back 2 weeks ago
     
  17. sandpickle
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    Blu301 and Meowonward regularly sell 1h skeles as trio. They're the only ones that can pull it off because they run taunt mules.
    Also rip taunt mules at 5-6
     
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  18. akashsky
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    This is over simplified but basically you sell split leech normally with 2 buyers right?

    The reason you do this is because its more value than selling to just 1 buyer solo.

    Well, the same thing is true of 3 buyers. Selling to 3 buyers is more value than selling 2. Same with 4, and 5. Hence, the meta evolved to trio leech, and the sellers make alot more mesos this way.
     
  19. JosephMis
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    Doesn't seem like they did much effort getting this balance though
     
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  20. cyeoh1120
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    Let me break it down:
    1. 6.5m/hr (3-way split) = 19.5m/hr
    2. 6m/hr (MU + sweeper)
    3. Dragon Scale ~ 20/hr (100k each) = 2m/hr
    4. Power Elixir ~ 60/hr (4k each) = 240k/hr
    5. Gacha ~ 2m/hr (500k common, 1m rare)
    6. ETC drops ~ 600k/hr
    7. Equips ~ 2m/hr
    8. Pot cost ~ -1m/hr

    Net profit ~ 31m/hr

    You'll need a MU, sweeper, and Taunt mule.
     
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