Pink bean and it's current state

As far as I know, the 90% reduction isn't part of the original PB. It's part of the modern PB, in an environment where ignore enemy defense is a stat and modern endgame bosses (and PB is definitely not one of them) all have 300% damage reduction as a result.

 

I agree PB should be harder but don’t think a timer or defense change are the way to do it. All that pushes is the single target NL meta and would push out pallies, heroes, and DKs which can be muled if you need HB. I think a change to DR where it activates after the animation but at the same time as the 1s appear is a better solution. This would make it more punishing to just hold your attack button and attackers would actually have to pay attention to animations rather than seeing the 1 damage lines.

 

I disagree with this for a couple reasons, mainly because I only see negative consequences if the timer was decreased to 1 hour.

While in theory I agree that Pink Bean ended up being a bit easier to clear that many of us had initially thought (our team is 11/11 on clears), in reality if the timer is decreased it would just be a "screw you" to the slightly lower levels with slightly worse gears. All decreasing the timer will do is lock Pink bean from 3 (possibly 4 if a new host arrives) viable squads that can clear to 1 (possibly 2 tops, nobody has eclipsed a 1 hour run yet). When looking at the Pink Bean drops and sales, anyone familiar with this market knows that any of the good items are already extremely difficult to sell at decent prices (I haven't gotten 1 bid on either of our 3 att facestompers). But this is not an issue with the market being flooded, it's an issue with there being not enough funded players who are willing to buy in general. I don't see the runs becoming more profitable if there are only 1 or 2 hosts selling the drops as opposed to 3 or 4 because there is already too small of a pool of funded players interested in buying these items in the first place. We would still struggle to get reasonable bids on anything good.

More important than the market for Pink Bean items crashing so quickly, as a host I strongly disagree with having to further restrict the levels/strength of the runners. Our average level is already usually 193-194ish, and that's with some "underleveled" bishops and DKs. If we switched to a 1 hour timer, it would force me to make ugly moves, like making sure every runner has a finished weapon and crazy attack gears and the like, and it would also be imperative to reserve slots for classes like NLs (fuck NLs) whereas they already take up the most slots on our runs on average, at 5-7. I really prefer having more inclusivity and a diverse squad, and it's not like the thresholds I use are easy either - everyone is at the endgame level, though there will always be some who are stronger than others. I generally say anyone 185+ is acceptable as long as they have solid attack gears (a good handful of team members each run do not have "finished" weapons and att gears, we've had shads and archers with as low as ~125 att weapons and similar caliber across classes).

 

I agree with the sentiment of making it harder but 1 hour timer would only make it exclusive for a couple of classes, I would like to see 1-shot DR and wheel removal as I've seen suggested before

 

The hardest part about pink bean is getting 30 people together at the same time

 

I pretty much agree with blu301's sentiment. Lower timer forces hosts to take only NLs and support mules / classes. NL outperforms every other class in the bean right now by a very large margin.

I don't really think that more squads are that problematic since we are limited to only 2 runs per week.

I can get behind the suggested change to damage reflect ONLY IF a change is made such pb animations are visible with so many people standing on top of it. In a 30 man run, you can't even see any part of pink bean half of the time, so reacting to the 1s from damage reflect is the only sensible way to deal with damage reflect.

 

shoulda been released with only 1 hour kekhands. This should have been done when it was first released. kinda too late now

 

Only thing to do now, wipe all data of PB and start with a clean slate.

 

I don't think we can make any boss in this game "Hard" since all boils down to getting used to do the boss and get a strategy, once you do that the rest is easy. All bosses have the same issue, all that can be done is changing the boss so we need a new strat but once that strat is down is easy again (Haven't this happened a milion times in HT? that bos got thru so many changes and people still find a way to make it anyways). And ofc all of that ignoring the fact that you need to optinally wash ur booty to have enought HP to take a single hit from this pink demon, and that you need to spam apples or chocolates, that you need a big level and good equips along it (Making equips is all grinding marathon of RNG to get broken stuff).

There is a reason why bosse in MapelStory have evolved to be far more complicated: Bounch of stuff falling down off the cieling, attacks that cover parts of the screen and you need to quickly reposition, pot cooldown (even heal has a cooldown). they had to pump so much mobility in all jobs because of this. so bosses are more interactavle and things go down to proper avoiding (on top of the equipmetns, that thing is a barrer on all Maple versions).

So in my opinion if we tight things up all that we will get is a boss that still will be easy mechanically but will allow little to no mistake or bad RNG or ppl disconecting, will need to exclude certain classes unless they are meta on the boss or just have far better equips than the other DPS on the team, also keep in mind you need to arange and comand 30 people. And all that to perhaps have a chance to get items that could be good to sell... or not, along exp that can only be bested by Scarlion broken exp gains.

I think Pink Bean is very idealiced as this super hard boss that should be almost imposible to beat as if the run should fail the second something is out of position. Do we really want that?

 

I disagree any changes should be made to PB right now because as it stands, people with decent but not perf gear has a chance to join a PB run without being excluded because they’re not strong enough. If you’re gonna make changes now it’s gonna make it harder for the less stronger players to actually join PB. Just keep it as it is, market prices for Timeless/ Reverse weapon are healthy (not overly priced/ underpriced) and the splits for the runners are fairly balance (100m~ on a good day) not including the expenses on apples. Being restricted to only being able to run twice per week really also balances the whole PB market without it crashing down. As it stands, it’s in a perfect state right now.

 

Isn't the way you artificially increase difficulty (and increase splits) to just run short manned like with HT?

 

Seems you forgot only 1%ish (or even less than) ppl of ML can try and kill PB......

I'm not saying PB should be ezpz so 100% can attempt PB. but, PB is still far away from most of ML users, including myself.
or, just you wanna make higher hurdle on fellows for some reason like......you know what I'm guessing.

 

I agree with all the points you made, but I think the market is pretty screwed in terms of being able to sell PB gear. If your hope is to run PB to get splits in order to afford the timeless gear, I don't think it's sustainable. The rate at which gear drops from PB to the rate at which someone would be able to accrue mesos through PB clears are very far apart. In my opinion, that means the gap between supply and demand is only going to get wider as time goes on. These timeless drops are soon going to be worth what genesis 30 is worth; it's just a matter of time.

 

Is it possible to add an easy, medium, hard mode to Pink Bean? The timers could be something like 2hr, 1.5hr, then 1hr (these numbers can be tweaked of course). The drop rate can be adjusted based on the difficulty of the run. This way, this extends the range by X minutes for more casual players, but also allows for more difficulty for elite players with the benefit of better drops. Maybe do the same with horntail? Easy - 2hr, Medium- 1.5hr, hard - 1hr with adjusted drop rates.

As everyone mentioned b4, there needs to be more options for HP. The staff made a pretty smart move by adding a temporary NX pendent for the Christmas event. Maybe the same can be done for a permanent NX pendent with HP (cough cough quest pendent or ring)?

With regards to the market for dragon weapons and better(using claws as an example since they are the most expensive), it's definitely screwed. A perfect DPS used to cost 150m ish a couple months back, now they go unsold for ~60m. Based on my observation, the market for perfect NT claws also tanked hard. The hype over reverse and timeless weapons was short lived. I cannot even get an offer for a 56 att claw, even with an absurdly low S/b. Perhaps people are unfamiliar with the market, hence afraid to offer. Fixing the market for higher levels weapons can be saved for a different discussion I guess.

 

What if it would be possible to make an «easy mode» with way worse drop rate/exp so worse geared players could participate as well but with worse reward

 

Make a dark pink bean thats even harder lol

 

All bosses in ML are the worst drop rate version of themselves already, and even more so with every single update this server gets.

Having bosses with different difficulties was a nice feature added post bib bang (a nice feature like not needing to do the HT prequest every time you want to do it).
Most bosses have 3 difficulty settings:

Easy: Nothing or mostly nothing is lethal and it has the least amount of possible attacks of the boss.
Normal: Some attacks can one-shot you but they are decently easy to avoid, still lack some of the boss attacks so you don't have to worry about everything.
Chaos/Hard: The boss has all its attacks and all the attacks that can 1 shot you will. In the case of older bosses, they got new moves like Ariel pulling people to the midle of the map or having damage reflect. Chaos HT also has damage reflect on the heads.

Exp is better on the harder bosses altho easier bosses have lower levels (easy Zakum can be beaten by a lv 50 for example and the chaos one may need you to be far stronger since is harder than Chaos HT). Dropwise you always get something but often the normal version drop coins to get the gear of the boss while the hard version drops directly the drops + coins.

Duno if this can be added or will be ever added since as I have seen are not a priority for the staff and if they want to change them is always for worst (and if they get buffed like the NT bosses dropping weapons, two days later they are gonna get nerfed cos welp now they drop weapons). I know this may sound too negative but after playing the server for a long time I can say this is how things end.