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Shivering's Meso Journal 2.0 (inspired by 5-6F balance changes)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Shivering, Dec 29, 2020.

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    WE BACK BOYS.

    Did you really think some balance changes were gonna stop me from making the GOAT tier mesos? Nah.

    New plan boys.

    S> 5-6F QUAD leech with 1 mage in each map (I will probably only do 2 maps since I only have 2 HS mules, although I may expand to 3 in the future).

    EPH looks like it's around 22-29m quad leech so rates will be around 5-6m per hour (based on skeles rates, still trying to talk to skele sellers and see what rates they are charging after the taunt nerfs); I still need to test the market and establish a foundation for what rates will be.

    I will be utilizing 2 characters as attackers through this Meso Journal: Shivering (18x I/L) and Elementai (16x F/P).

    Expected Meso Potential:
    8 leechers * 5.5m/hr = 44M
    Equips = 2M
    Pot cost = 2.5m/channel * 2 channels = 5M

    Expected Profit: 41m/hour

    I'm a little busy atm so not sure when exactly I will start making journal entries. I could start as soon as tomorrow, but I will definitely be starting in the next 7 days.

    See you on the rift boys.
     
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    You're gonna find 8 buyers every single time you wanna have a leeching session? Or am I misinterpreting something?
     
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    Yes, I imagine at a price of 6m/hr it will be way easier to find 8 buyers than it was to find 6 buyers at 8.5-9m/hr, but won't know for sure until I put it to the test.
     
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    Staff is punching the air rn reading this. You still have time to take it down before they nuke Shaolin during this maintenance :hilarious:
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    jkjk GL with sales! Have you tested the trio eph?
     
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    I get this reasoning, but if you're charging 6m for 25-29m exp it could be bad news for 1hit skele/petri sellers since a good amount of the buyer pool is 125+. Not sure if this would matter to you, just noting. I believe most skele/petri leechers sell duo split for 6m+ and I believe 24m exp is the higher end.

    Regarding the taunt nerf, for me it seems like the leech I do at skele is about 10% worse without taunt because with the event bonus exp of 10% people are pulling about the same exp they used to. With taunt I used to sell trio for 6-6.5m depending on level (up to 25-26m exp), and I think now my trio will be more like 5-5.5m without the event bonus (up to 22-23m exp or so)

    edit: comparitively to trio skele, ulu3 duo split rate has steadily been 5m for ~18-20m exp iirc
     
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    POG. Why wait for weekly manga releases, when you have weekly shivering threads?
     
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    Why did you considered 8 leechers (4 ch duo) but pot cost of only 2 ch?
     
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    I haven’t tested trio and the EPH is a very rough estimate from some testing I did with people in the 125-135 level range this morning. I imagine trio EPH will be 10% higher.

    I’m definitely not committed to the price; still trying to talk to petri and skele sellers to get the exp/meso data so definitely appreciate your numbers here.

    it’s 4 leechers per channel. I will only be using 2 mages.
     
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    Yes, to my understanding you will deal 40% reduced damage to a taunted mob.
     
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    Can you 2h silvers on shivering yet? Seems like it'd be a pretty big eph jump if you're soloing
     
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    What’s the TMA to 2 hit silvers? I have like no gear on him so I’m sure I can hit the threshold by xferring some gear. It’s not something I had thought of so thanks for bringing it up!
     
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    2hit silvers is around 1575, but you can probably get away with 1560? While playing around with this mage dmg calc, i found that the tma for 3h gold is technically 1375, but I guess with 1360, the chance you don't 3h is super low.

    I was leeching my BM and found that with SE (and occasionally echo), being able to 2h silvers was pretty nice. I think being able to clear left with 2 ults allows you to catch more respawns on right.

    Also another optimization, try to hit the 3 golds under the stairs on the far right. They always spawn there and get kinda stuck. When I cast my first ult near the gap, I always miss them, so I end up having to clear that side with 4 ults.
     
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    Is it better to 2 hit silvers in the mid-to-high 180s, or to 3 hit golds as early as possible (let's say just under 150) and cap your level? Which would result in a higher EPH for leechers?
     
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    There is no way you are 3 hitting golds under level 150 unless you have almost perfect gear and echo and I imagine the EPH difference would be negligible between the two.
     
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    you are all talk boy
     
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    I'm just testing it out to see EPH numbers across levels and gauging how fast slots fill up. I'm still looking to change price based on that. no flame pls :(
     
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