Mapownership

Not only at Shaolin, there are plenty of maps where lower levels can grind at at a lower killing rate and I'm not even talking only about mages.
For example WR map which is a very popular spot to sell leech and also where some ranged classes have the option to get a nice exp. Imagine being kicked out because you can't kill mobs fast enough.

It's also not cool to hold maps without using for hours but people still do it because its possible.

 

The @challenge(r) kills a mob a gachapon ticket drops who gets it?
The @challenger(r) loots it while the @mapowner sees this they can report this.

@challenge would trigger the person into taking screenshots with you attacking monsters thus resulting you in taking repercussions making you in turn possibly get banned anyways, not worth it if you ask me.

@challenge sounds more like ignoring @mapowner into getting a KS battle happening, then whats the use of having an @mapowner command to begin with?
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I've mentioned a command called @mapblock and people didn't like it and had really good points on how it could be abused, and i do see that however the command would be @mapblock <user> and that user would only get attack/magic cancel thus making them hit 1's only, the thing that people mentioned was them using the command in horntail for example and blocking the Night Lord from hitting it, which in turn should be grieving your own party member but it does make sense. So I've dropped it and never mentioned it again as a suggestion.

 

I think the problem with your suggestion is that it is narrowly focused on the Shaolin maps while the rest of the MapleLegends world would be equally effected by your system in ways you're not taking into consideration. I share your frustration with campers just killing 1 mob every 4 minutes to maintain map ownership, but your idea is going to need to take a lot of tweaking. An @challenge should not be capable by a person 20 levels higher than you. An @challenge should not be allowed on boss-spawning maps. An @challenge becomes ridiculous on maps where there is no safe spot to sit. A lot of tweaking...

 

No, you're not suggesting something to get people banned and thus wasting a GMs time in looking into more "I got banned for using @challenge command. Why?!" @challenge isn't going to be useful at all the only useful thing its going to do is get you banned if you challenge the map owner.

If mapowner would still be a thing what would @challenge accomplish?

Spoiler: Mapowner

3.4 Griefing - Griefing is a more specific case of harassment, which can be classified as in-game conduct that is intended to disrupt, obstruct, or sabotage another player's gameplay. Examples of griefing include the following but are not limited to: kill stealing from mapowner, looting in another player's map (including Monster Book Cards, which is owned by mapowner), intentionally causing someone's death, filling an FM store with mules so other player's cannot access it, PQ sabotage, and scamming boss drop/cards in PQs or any other group activity.

Map-related griefing claims will be settled with the @mapowner command, which displays who owns the map. To obtain mapowner, three conditions must be met: (1) must be at least 10 levels below the strongest monster's level in the map, (2) must kill a monster (not just hitting), and (3) not have been AFK for 5 minutes or longer. Once mapowner is obtained, a player has the rights to:
- Kill monsters in the map themselves, or assign others the right to do so.
- Loot drops in the map themselves, or assign others the right to do so (such as those invited into party).
- Ask a player to leave the map IF deemed to be interfering to the gameplay of the mapowner and by extension, the mapowner's party. Interference includes the following but not limited to: kill stealing, looting drops, preventing other members from entering the map (applicable to member-capped maps, such as Manon), and affecting mob behavior or aggro (most notably AFKing at Windraiders in a place that pulls mobs away from the leecher).

For cases of area bosses that do not have killable mobs (eg. JrBalrog), the first one who entered the map will have pseudo-mapowner and has the right to ask other players to CC. This is proven by a screenshot with the @servertime command used. All requirements of being a mapowner are also required to obtain pseudo-mapowner.

All claims will be reviewed based on presented evidence. Depending on the severity of the actions, the punishments may vary, with the possibility of warnings given out for lighter offenses. 1st Offense: 3 Day Ban; 2nd Offense: 7 Day Ban; 3rd Offense: Account Ban.

 

Consider this scenario:
A level 85 LUK mage wants to grind at Encounter with the Buddha. Black Crow happens to spawn on the map, causing the mage to retreat from the map. The mage asks a guildie to help kill Black Crow. They form a party and the higher level guildie kills Black Crow with them both on the map. The higher level leaves and the mage is left with ownership of the map. Another player comes in and sees this low level mage and recognizes the LUK gear on them, sees the low level, and recognizes that this mage cannot possibly kill enough spawns in the time allotted in an @challenge, and so does the @challenge for the sole purpose of taking the map away from the mage.

While such scenarios would not be common, they are possible. As I understand it currently, even a level 90 LUKless mage cannot own Encounter with the Buddha unless they are capable of defeating Black Crow and thus can have their map stolen from a higher level player - which is definitely a problem.

 

I think what you're seeing are people keeping map ownership in order to sell leech there. It's dirty, for sure.

 

They could be doing homework or something else, even so they have mapowner so they have the right of way, unless they're botting or hacking then punish em.

 

Yeah what happens if the person is too weak to kill 100 within 5 mins? Also how do you challenge boss maps?

Also it seems like this will just make people hate each other and try to constantly grief each other by challenging constantly...

 

I will hit it to you straight. This is one of the most worst ideas or suggestions I have seen to counter the "problem".

ML T and Cs clearly stated that the Map Owner has the final decision on what they can do on the map. Putting a @challenge is going to mess up the rule and policy altogether.

Plus, how are you going to balance classes or characters that cannot easily kill 100 mobs in 5 mins?

Ever heard of "Try another time" or did you even bother asking to share the map? You should try that.

 

Here's my say on @mapowner: STOP. COMPLAINING.

First come, first serve. EZPOG. If a map you're wanting to farm in is taken, there's 2 options you can take: Either wait for one to open up at another time or GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. Everyone and their dog is obsessed with "metas" in this game, where you can just do the same thing in any other map.

Sure, I sometimes bitch about people hogging maps (those damn Anego hunters and their mules for example F7) but ultimately I acknowledge it and move on. Instead of making alternative commands to fight for a map, think of alternative places to grind or even suggest buffing up those maps to match the current metas (or maybe give Anego her jump back, plz and ty <3).

One PRIME example is Kid Mannequins getting their auto-aggro back! Any1 here remember grinding those back in the old days? Also, they added portals in various maps (deep ludi, leafre, etc.) so that players can grind there as alternatives if they can't go to those meta maps. Did y'all forget those, too?

Either way, complaining about not getting a map is not going to solve the solution of grinding meta maps, it just makes more problems.
Sorry if this sounds like a rant. Topics like this just make me go.... :sadface:

 

Agreed. I appreciate your time to think up of something! I wish more people would take the time to appreciate people's willingness to come up with possible solutions. I still stand by what I've said earlier that your solution needs a lot of tweaking - but I encourage you to stay inventive and willing to share your ideas. =o)

 

I don't see how me giving a comment on what you should try doing means I am putting words in your mouth. If I am putting words in your mouth, I would say something like:

Spoiler

"This OP probably thinks and says this @mapowner stuff sucks and he wanna do what he think's is best for his convenience.

In what way? You mean not having a map available -- Isn't it the same as a popular food joint or restaurant that has a long queue and you need to wait hours to queue? We already had this issue back in GMS or MapleSEA and during that times the crowd was way more concentrated with no "Map Owner system".

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Is the problem about the 98%-99% of the player base or 1%-2%?

I don't really see a problem with that. Also, how do you know that person is not a mule and can just be waiting for the boss?

Again, how are you going to balance out classes that cannot do map Nuking (Genesis, Blizzard), unless you want to put a monster requirement for each individual class and capability? That would require a lot of work with the ML Staff and literally testing each individual map on the capabilities of each class. Even if the ML Staff agree with your idea, how well would it actually solve the problem?

You seem to have an issue with just Shaolin. But what about spaces that also can have mules resting such as GS2? Also, what about Ulu2? Don't tell me u wanna tell the ML Staff to remove the mob-less platform on the top or spawn mobs up there, or make the mobs have a better capability of hitting players on ropes.

I will just be direct again, it's a really bad idea and to add on again - it will take a lot of work from the ML Staff to balance this issue. Adding this is just not going to solve the problem completely considering the amount of work that needs to be done.

 

I fully agree. I read this and initially thought it was a good idea too, but then thought of a few ways this could hurt me (ie stalking bosses for cards) much more than it would help anyone. I personally never had that much problem with mapowner because I usually go to less popular maps, or a channel where someone is not currently stalking the boss (or I'd just ask for the card and move on).

So yes the system is currently flawed but I think it's the best we can get. Introducing a counter would probably lead to a messy patchwork of revisions. It is a cool idea though... I like it when there's some competition. (I personally once had the idea of having ch1 always FFA and not able to be claimed, but meh, that didn't get much attention either.)

 

Actually one of the better suggestions I've seen regarding map ownership. I'm so frustrated with it right now.

So as im writing this right now, there's this dude literally camping Lady Boss with 8 characters in all channels, with like 4 out of those 8 characters being mages the summons kill the mobs automatically. And Lady Boss already spawned in some channels but the dude is just not killing it and waiting till spawns in all channels before killing it. So all 8 channels are currently unavailable and have been unavailable for the past 30mins and counting.

Some might think "oh this dude just throwing a tantrum cos he cant get a map" -yeah that may be so, i admit i am frustrated having checked the map constantly throughout the day to find out someone with a timer camped all 8 channels and don't even have to break a sweat to retain map ownership. But you CANNOT tell me this shit isn't BROKEN AF. idk what kind of community or gameplay does this system promote