A suggestion I'm not sure can be added, but I wanted to bring up. Sniper.

I don't know the possibility of adding a completely new skill to the game. Something like that seems difficult to implement, from both a balance (you would have to reallocate SP maxes for all 4th job skills) and technical point of view (changing pre-existing skills is way easier than creating one from scratch).

I don't have an archer, but I'm guessing the thought process is that you won't really be using Strafe in 3rd job, with the exception being HH. But since MM have a much better early 4th job bossing capabilities with Snipe, the Strafe tradeoff is justified. There's an ebb and flow of which archer is better at which point of the game, and I think it makes sense that Rangers are better late 3rd job than Snipers, then MM is better than BM at early 4th job, then eventually BMs take over late 4th job.

 

It's a fucking 2.4% decrease on a half irrelevant skill. Get over it. And learn some math already. I heard it's good for you.

 

I don't have an archer but, from my experience MM with Si can take over (sometimes) BMs.
I would like if someone post how many arrows BM shoot in a second ( I heard it's 8?) And how many MM with strafe (I heard it's 10 with Si)
So it's 800% VS 750% (+snipe every 5 seconds)
Is that true ?
If that so it looks pretty equal consider the better crits with SE, snipe and blind.

 

Hard to believe, but snipers 1vs1 potential in ideal situation already overcomes rangers.

Wish you findout how crit works ingame and how formula works in DPM. There's nice thread which Nise wrote.

Wrong...

 

I would like to get some explanation where am I wrong? (not in a rude way, just happy to learn )

Hurricane does 100% per shot and from source I found

Spoiler: source

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/924697-maplestory/48815177

it says 8.3 arrows per second minus startup time skill, yet I didn't find any source to see what speed Strafe shoot per second with Si.

 

uh.. Is anybody going to tell them? If no one will then I will tell them.

 

The comments on this thread have been depressingly unhelpful. Granted I don't have the in-depth information on the comparison between strafes either, but limiting it to "Wrong" or "Look it up yourself lol" without providing any information sure gets people somewhere!

 

This guy has posted multiple times on the forums on the exact same non-issue using no logic, math or reasonable arguments, just the same old emotional "5 hit strafe sux" spiel. Every time Regalstar is there to answer in detail, i'm not surprised this time he just says go learn the math lol

 

Fair bit of context, thanks for the heads up~

 

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/nises-formula-compilation.36234/

 

For future readers of this thread who feels lazy to see Nise's formula thread and understand.

1. how crit works
every single line gets +100% boosted range (in addition, not multiply).
ex. arrow blow shots an arrow with 260% dmg. it goes into 360% if it crits.
ex2. double shot shots 2 arrows with 130% dmg. it goes into 230% for each individual arrows, with individual chances.
ex3. strafe(ranger) shots 4 arrows with 110% dmg. it goes into 210%, in same logic with ex2.
ex4. strafe(sniper) shots 5 arrows with 75% dmg. goes into 175%, same with ex2, 3.

2. how SE works
SE adds +15% for chance of crit hits. archers and NL has base 50% crit chance, so it gets into 65% in total.
whenever crits, SE adds +140% additional dmg, over 'pre-SE crit dmg'
ex. arrow blow crit dmg is 360%. it goes into 500% with SE.
ex2. double shot crit dmg is 230%. will be 370% in the end.
ex3. strafe(ranger), 210%. 350% in the end.
ex4. strafe(sniper), 175%. 315% in the end.

combining 1 and 2, you can understand your dmg is consisted with 'base skill %' + 'additional crit dmg whenever hits crit'.
also, you can findout that 'more arrows per minute' = 'more chances to hit crit, adding +240% of range'.


now, math time. since I mentioned 'ideal situation', i'll just math in SI+SE condition.

strafe in faster(2) takes 600ms delay, means, you can shot 100 times of strafes per minute.

rangers strafe shots 400 arrows per minute. their expected DPM will be like :
110% * 400 + 240% * 0.65 * 400 = 44,000% + 62,400% = 106,400%

snipers strafe shots 500 arrows per minute. DPM will be like :
75% * 500 + 240% * 0.65 * 500= 37,500% + 78,000% = 115,500%

115,500/106,400 is like 1.086. so sniper is 8.6% stronger if we only consider % of DPM.

below is non-SE situation.

110% * 400 + 100% * 0.5 * 400 = 44,000% + 20,000% = 64,000% for ranger.
75% * 500 + 100% * 0.5 * 500 = 37,500% + 25,000% = 62,500% for sniper.

dividing 64,000 with 62,500 gets 1.024, means, ranger is 2.4% stronger

honestly, I'm so surprised for even w/o SE, their DPM potential is very similar.

This is why 'shooting arrows per minute' is so important for critical classes + SE, and cane, MM+SI is awesome.
because, more arrows means, more chance to add +240% dmg.
also, sniper requires 5 lower str to equip their same level weapon compared with ranger, and have slight higher base watk.

sniper already have higher potential compared with ranger with current skill, and you're asking to add 1 more line saying sniper is weaker than ranger. Please, before debating about sensitive balance stuffs, double check your logic is correct or not.


I tribute this crappy math to all the previous explainers and lazy guys but hope to understand why this thread is so rejected, future balance debators. Already references are enough and abounded. TY Nise.


to OP, please, I hope you understand how 'add 1 more line lulz' can change game.

edited/added : bows weapon multiplier is 3.4 while xbows multiplier is 3.6. means, 5.9% stronger range, which can overcome 2.4% gap of % of skill DPM. snipers were doing already heavier DPM compared with rangers. you were doing more DPM than same-level geared ranger even without SE. wow.