More 15% Scrolls

Not totally against this idea, but there are several things to keep in mind. First off, that extra 5% is incredibly busted. On average you will take 10 WS to upgrade a slot using 10%. With 15%, you will take on average 6.67ws to upgrade a slot. So based on the current market for WS(175-180m), you would save 180 times 3.33 ~= 600m per upgrade. I'm not entirely sure what the 15% drop rate is for WR, so perhaps someone who trains there/sells leech can provide an estimate.

I also don't think making it untradeable will circumvent people from mass using them. If they are untradeable, people will simply be asking for 15% service. If someone is trying to complete an item, I could easily price each scroll at 50m or more. Let's say I price it at 50m. 6.67 times 180m =1.2b + 50m times 6.67 = 333m = 1.53b, which is still more price efficient than ws10, which is 1.8b.

So if these scrolls are implemented and balanced, I do believe it is a net benefit for the game. Nothing is more tilting than failing 20+ in a row 10%. With 15%, the chances of failing many in a row will be significantly reduced if we take booming items with 70% as an anecdote. Also, I would hope that this would finally price the WS prices lower due to the fact that we don't need to use as many WS to complete a slot. Although I'm not entirely sure about this since people might be incentivized to make more perfect items with the introduction of 15%. I personally would be willing to grind for these scrolls if they were added to drop rates to non-meta high level mobs.

 

What if there was some way that causes equips to become untradeable after scrolled with a 15% scroll? That way, perfecters can't buy "15% scroll SVC" since the equip would become untradeable by the SVC seller. So if you want to use WS+15% scroll to perfect a weapon, or if you were slapping 15% DEX/INT scrolls on single earrings, then you are locking that item for your own use. Could be the caveat/tradeoff for using a 15% scroll.

 

Definitely wouldn't trust a complete stranger, but I can see some of the high profile players selling SVC. Shivering sells white scroll svc right now

 

I'd rather see an increase in white scroll availability than see these scrolls become mainstream.

 

I'm so conflicted on this because WS 10% can be so cancer, but on the other hand 15% is kind of broken. Someone already did the math above on taking it down from 10 expected tries to 6.67 which is a lot especially when you consider over the course of multiple slots. A part of me thinks creating perfect weapons should not be too easy, but another part of me feels for people who go 0/20 and 0/30 on WS on 10%.

I think I'm with Akash though; I'd prefer to see WS availability increased rather than see 15% scrolls.

 

Or 0/44

 

I have a feeling that these 15% scrolls would be incredibly valuable/powerful. Making them farmable (like at WR) is probably not the greatest idea. The droprate is high, and will create way more supply of better equips, which leads to power creep (i.e 15% the first two slots).

Putting them into gacha with the same rate as some of the rare gacha-only 30% scrolls would be interesting. raysinz estimate seems reasonable in a vacuum, so 15% scrolls priced at 40-50m. But the free market would probably lower the price of WS, as these 15% scrolls would act as a substitute. This might help to lower the variance in profit from gach though.

I do like the idea of making the item untradeable afterward. This will reduce the use of WS on timeless items (which usually take 60-70), which might help lessen the demand for WS a bit.

 

I do like the thought of more 15% scrolls, but my feelings about it are pretty much the same as Shivering's.

If something like this were implemented, maybe for balance purposes these scrolls could be made one of a kind (or X of a kind) to limit the number/frequency of use so people won't hoard them, and make it so if you want to use it for your perfect weapon you'll have to continually grind for these scrolls. You'll still have these scrolls lowering the number of WS used, but at least they'd have to really put in some work (although I feel like this would be a pretty grueling task and I would almost want to just use 10%s instead).

Make the scrolls drop from high level mobs (or bosses?) and make the scrolls drop only for the character that did the most damage to the mobs to combat mule hoarding

 

this would actually be a pretty dope drop for bosses. Would allow for more control over scroll generation (i.e. prevent mass farming) + reduce discomfort from buying scrolling services (lower risk in dealing with a known HT hoster than with some rando) + improve HT splits from absolute dog shit to somewhat dog shit

 

WS prices are about to go stonks once again. Perfect everything

 

With WS at 200m*, each 15% scroll would be worth 100m*. Any sane person will farm it.

 

I don't know, but will this really decrease the cost in making a perfect weapon?
As the cost you reduced in spending on WS can easily be matched by buying the 15% scroll service.

Overall, I think this should reduce the so ever high WS demands.
Furthermore, since this will be a new drop. Where and how it drops can be totally plan afresh (reads bossing).

 

It's definitely important to look at the numbers when balancing, but when you're getting unlucky while scrolling, it feels like absolute shit.
If we look at the legendary 0/44, there's only a 0.97% chance of it happening, and while the odds are low af, imagine how much different his gameplay would have been if he went 4/40. That's 7.7b in WS he failed, or 256 hours of selling the most optimal leech in ML, or 214 hours of running 8 clients to do 4 mage ulu1 + cornians.

I know I'm only looking at an extreme edge case, and you hear about people's success stories of going 3/9, 3/8, 4/22, 7/43, 4/4 all the time, it still does feel really bad that your end-end game gear is gated by a 10% scroll.

As someone who has had my fair share of insane WS luck (3/9), and absolute shit luck (3/52), I 100% wouldn't mind WS prices going to the moon if it meant that you're "expected" to pay the same amount of mesos for a +1 on a weapon with a bit less deviation. Of course this sounds like a pain to balance