Shivering's Ulu1/Cornian Meso Journal

In before 5 second ult cooldown.

(I know this won't impact this strat.)

 

Will they nerf it, tho?

I mean, it seems silly to entertain the notion that the devs balance the game around people farming maps on four arch-mages at the same time...

 

We said the same thing about duo mage 5-6F and 1H skele with taunt, but both those got nerfed with <5 people doing it.

 

Can't really comment on the 5-6 nerf, but the skele taunt nerf makes sense when you look at it as a case of spillover elitism.

People who sold skele leech with taunt mules were getting crazy-high EPH and selling cheap trio leech and they were indirectly screwing over other skele sellers who didn't do the same since buyers began to expect that level of service and pricing. Buyers back then would be like 'why is your EPH so bad, why aren't you running a taunt mule???' to your average 1-hit skele bishop who isn't sweating that hard. And that leads to negative interactions, I guess?

This thing, on the other hand, is just pure meso farm. There's no interaction between players since its just our boi Shivering figuratively jerking himself off in a map by himself. He's not selling leech and thus not imposing expectations onto buyers, only other farmers who might feel inadequate that their farming isn't as effective. But that's about it really.

 

Adapt or die.

 

In the past goby was nerfed because you could farm 10m pure raw meso per hour. Basically, simply going by past precedent, it is not a question of IF this strat will get nerfed, but WHEN.

 

It was more than 10m per hour, but a lot of what made goby op is gone (SI not working on bishops). However, gobies generating 13-15m an hour at a time when WS was 70m and CS at 40m meant that inflation was bound. The nerfs only took away a few mil but it helped slow down a concern a lot of "endgame" players showed at the time; inflation. Where suggestions such as increasing NLC pot costs were considered by members of many of the goby farmers to avoid prices from increasing.

Times are so different from 2017 and 2021, where bossing yields FAR less meso than it did back then, and even farming doesn't yield as much as gobies did and endgame commodities are prices 3x more than what they used to be. Selling 5-6 is still more profitable (in the case of getting 0 max attack cravens from ulu1 quad mage), and it only requires you to control 2 characters (maybe 3) as opposed to 5 characters. Don't forget that a lot of rules and restrictions from the past are also gone, where multi-voting is a thing and getting multiple mages to 25k+ MP by 130 is possible now, where as back then you had to risk vote abusing, your NX wiped and getting banned, thus MP washing mages wasn't really a thing (nor was HP washing a mage) as most people voted on their attacker account.

Yes I don't deny ULU in general is overpowered, that warrants a nerf on droprate on PE, Ores and Equips but do gut a map cause of quad mage farming is not the right approach. I'd also like to mention that 28m/hr on average for such effort and set-up requirement is IMO justifiable considering current prices for endgame commodities and how utterly bad bossing profits are (that a different subject in itself).

 

I also agree with you that 28m/ hr is justifiable for having to control 4 mages, and 2 meso up / sweeper mules. But, a nerf on PE, ores, and equips is still a NERF on this strategy, and I think it is a matter of a time before we see it.

 

ulu1 meso farming (possible volume warning)

 

Oof, can't fit a netflix window while using this strat....

 

Just wondering with regards to ulu maps. Will duo mage petri/duku out-exp duo-mage 5-6?

 

No, afaik nothing gives better exp than duo mage 5-6F

 

what's the leech EPH on your 2 hermits leeching?

 

There's no justifiable basis for nerfing this particular map or strategy, really. Multi-mage farming can be done on a slew of maps; perhaps not to the same degree of profitability, but that remains to be seen (Squid and Vikerola maps, for example).

Point being that it simply isn't feasible to nerf every potentially profitable map. Ironically, the recent teleporter update may have catapulted quite a few maps into that category. The underlying issue here is obviously infinite multiclienting.

As things stand, allowing everyone to multiclient as they please is the "fairest" way of handling the issue. Shivering himself admits that his setup isn't the most powerful, yet he can pull this off.

Equal opportunity to multiclient virtually mitigates the quality and/or quantity of one's electronics a limiting factor. The main barrier to entry here is time investment, which I don't see a problem with.

MMORPGs are nothing more than a microcosm of larger society; on an even playing field, those who are able to put in the requisite effort will reap the fruits of their labour. Many people have obligations which may prevent them from sinking too many hours into the game, and that's perfectly okay. Time management is in fact healthy behaviour. Attempting to compensate for the differences in time spent on the game by certain groups would be misguided at best.

 

where or what is this teleporter update?