Accepted & Implemented Reduce CWK Signs to One Per Job

I feel the same way toward the drop rate of keys for APQ. I think the rationale was to make sure the drops from these PQs don't flood the market. I don't know if this is an artificial means to keep the market from going bonkers, but if it's not - I would love for the drop rate of keys for APQ to be increased a lot, too, because I don't APQ as often as I normally would due to that fact.

 

Farming apq keys takes like 10 mins tho

 

I've gotten them in under 5 minutes before. Other times, I've spent 20 minutes. Overall, it's still a snooze fest. If it took an average of 45 seconds with a maximum of 2 minutes like GMS did it back in the day, then I wouldn't be so put off.

Anyway, that's taking the thread off course.

The comparison I'm making here is...
APQ - Length of time to get keys & put together a party : 30% OA scrolls & Onyx Apples
CWK - Length of time to get signs & put together a party : (? Scrolls ?) & ?ssiwS Cheese?

I don't know enough about the typical loots from CWKPQ because I've only done it once on this server and from GMS days. I remember Taos coming from them, but I don't remember much else.

If this is an attempt by the GMs to control the market, then we should explore this and make parallels to other PQs. If this isn't an attempt, then we can scratch this possible objection off the list and move forward.

 

Well I've been on runs with 4-5 people and we all mule like there is no tomorrow (making 2 buccs paid off yay) so this suggestion makes sense, that's why they won't do anything about it even if people support this like my post about the super fun HT prequest we all do for fun a million times.

 

+1
Sounds fine, will save everyone some of the organization trouble that plagues CWK.

 

can we also make it so you have to have the keystone/CWK prequest done, in order to sign up

 

I think this is a good trade off. Having a one-time quest, in my opinion, feels a lot better than muling all the classes every single time.

 

Like having the mark of the suquad to enter the cave without quest

 

It does seem redundant in a private server to require 2 of each class to start cwkpq. The amount of users isn't high enough and widespread enough to cover all classes for all timezones so some people may never get to cwkpq unless they make multiple mules. It doesn't make sense to require them only to start the pq when half of them aren't going to be going in and actually completing the pq.

That being said I still would like to be able to have extra classes in the party. Not everyone does 6 man cwkpq.

The trade off of having to complete the pre quest seems fair.

 

This thread is making me think I should plop all my chars in CWKPQ and start charging for signs.

 

Maybe the real (but slower) solution is to buff pirate classes so that it’s not impossible to find a pirate.

 

I do like this suggestion, and I agree that organizing is a pain in the ass. I am just worried it would become TOO easy to run CWK.

I feel like there is some truth to this, but you definitely need both signs and damage IMO. Being strong and having only 1 sign pretty much means youre dead weight in a 3-5 man run.

I think this suggestion could work with a bit of tweaking. I do like Eijis suggestion, but I am pretty sure that restriction would only last a few weeks before people in this community figure out how to clear their all mules efficiently. Perhaps they could also increase the number of hearts needed per run, or something along those lines.

 

YES PLEASE

Forcing Prequest completion and/or charging more Crimson Hearts per run is a very fair tradeoff

 

I just see this killing any chance of lower level shad mm bucc or pally ever getting a party

 

Perhaps the more appropriate thing to do is increase signs to 3 per job.

 

I think that the 16x+ players that run 1 party CWKPQ weren’t going to invite lower level shad mm buccs or pallies anyways because their signs can and will be filled with mules.

These lower levelled classes will still have a spot in 2 party CWKPQ runs (lvls 125-15x), and I’d actually guess that they would be moreso included in these runs if sign requirements were removed because you’d have more flexibility in who you could recruit.

For a two party CWKPQ run (12 slots), under the current system you would need 2 of each class, already taking up 10 slots, leaving 2 wildcard classes. If sign requirements were removed, you would need 1 of each class and have 7 wildcard slots.

The current system of requiring 2 signs restricts players from participating unless they have the correct sign mules. CWKPQ would be much more accessible to players without 90+ mules if this change were to go through.

 

Is there a max to how many can go in? *asking for a friend*

 

There is but I forget what it is 18? 20?

 

Now we are talkin!