Shivering's Ulu1/Cornian Meso Journal

Ok last post from me since I dont want to clutter the "Shivering makes too much damn money" thread.

You complain about having the discussion split into several different posts, but there is not a single post made by the mods about gathering opinions about the current state of the game, so where do you really want the discussion to happen? (You could argue patch threads, but they are mostly people reacting to nerfs without answers from balance team). There is also a lack of engagement in the forum where suggestions are made to be placed, but I can see that many mods atleast read the topic so I guess its something.
Also just defining what deflation is, is not going to solve the the core issue of power creep. My question was just, when does a person make too much mesos or gain too much exp? Why is ulu2 or petri/skele fine exp-wise but not 5-6f? My opinion is probably the same as yours, but having an active discussion instead of just nerfing something after Shivering does a thread on his 3p1c meso gain just alienates community and staff. I'm not saying I have a perfect solution, but the fact that all of us visit the forums is that we care about the game and its longevity and involving us in the thought process would create more understanding on both parts when a big patch w/nerfs drops.

 

Imagine wasting 4 mages in one map to get 26m/hr when you could just farm 4 more maps of cornians.

Based by your income it might be 42m/hr
Maybe slightly less if you count got general mob spawn between cc, but you can do a sprayed farm
Cc1,cc3, cc5, cc7, cc8 maybe

 

the reason he can't do that is because lvl 130 naked mages can't just go to cornians and start 1-shotting everything, the mages would need more levels and funding to start doing that, he would also need one extra MU per channel (more clients) and more micromanage, to the point that the investment and effort would start justifying the income. In contrast with ULU1 requirements and effort you can see why most people don't have mage as the center of the problem but rather the maps and the mobs that enable ezpz farming. And even then cornians would be a problematic map to multifarm like that because it's the map where horntail runners go to hunt for dagger and marrow, soon it would be a problem of "why is this guy taking all the cornian maps" it would probably be disruptive to some playerbase and uncomfortable for the farmer, this shit is better done in peace in maps like ULU1 or other quiet maps

 

Its fine thought, right? Since they're using 4 mages and 2 sweepers.

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/a-solution-for-mages.39589/#post-263844

 

• Widely disrupts economic balance, such as by generating an overwhelming amount of raw mesos (eg. gobies)
  • It affects market prices across the board, by increasing every single price.
  • It actually DEFLATES people's currently existing mesos.
  • It causes severe wealth disparity, because those who are able to farm those raw mesos can keep up with the market change vs. those who are not able to farm those raw mesos, keep their current amount of mesos, which will have less relative value as the raw mesos keep getting farmed.

This thread seems to tick every box.

Well after this analysis, it seems that this is better than pre-nerf goby on all fronts. So if goby warranted a nerf, i guess this does as well.

 

Make goby great again

 

Return the gobies, but then.. they probably won't because its 4 mages.. :/

 

BRING BACK MANNIES

 

Thanks for the response and I will do my part in keeping the conversation going!

1. I can see that argument, but I would much prefer if you have a stickied thread for every current patch, where we could discuss stuff since its hard to know which suggestion threads are in the current patch and which ones aren't. Also releasing pre-patch notes which breakes down the nerf much like this post would be very helpful both to us since we can give feedback on the nerfs and also seeing the reasoning behind it, and it would prevent "unreasonable" nerfs to go through to the game (much like PBE-patch notes in league or similar).

2. I can clarify my statement about lack of engagement. Looking through the suggestions tab in the forum, every thread has almost 0 responses from staff. I'm not saying you have to respond to all stuff, but lets take the 0 helmet drops from scar as an example. Here you respond (and I appreciate that) but saying you are not a game dev so you can't make that assesment (fair). However this is where communication goes silent. This suggestion currently sits at 49 agrees so its clearly not a vocal minority, but if you came to the final conclusion that it isn't possible to do just write that in the thread. Now it just comes off as lazy.

Regarding vocal minority, I can see that. However it IS the vocal minority that do most of these strats and have the most insight in them. Shivering and 5-6F gang aswell as HH-mules. It is the vocal minority who will try to find the new "game breaking" stuff because they are passionate about the game. Just because most people wouldn't bring 4 mages to ulu1 doesn't mean that it is not broken. Also if you can't make conclusions since everyone doesn't frequent the forum, then why do you have it? You can draw the line by saying balancing and patch discussion only goes in the forum, and then the passionate people will be able to discuss here. The beauty of a forum is how easy it is to catalog and see stuff structured, unlike discord for example which have many other uses (S>LEECH).

4. For the last point, I agree with your calculations, but I'm personally missing the macro aspect. How are we visioning the ML utopia 2023? If we have a goal, its much easier to justify nerfs or balance changes.

 

This was very well said, I agree with you on this but the rest is meh.. can't really say much about things when its going to gut other classes all in one and have a lot of angry people on the side..

 

How much less efficient is this strategy with just 3 f/p mages + 1 mu sweeper?