Potions cost renewal

While we're at it, jack up Sorcerer potions to 3000 mesos. Every other MP potion in the game is roughly 2 mesos per MP, but that one is 1 meso per MP, rendering literally every other fixed-amount MP potion a waste of money once you're above, like, 1000 MP (since the MP you're wasting by overhealing is still cheaper than if you just bought a potion that healed less).

 

I have to disagree with a pot increase in price. All this will do is make bossing even less profit (or just simply more of a loss) since it requires the most pots during a direct amount of time. For mages this won't make a huge difference as there are always people wanting to purchase leech and you can just increase your leech cost, besides the fact you are already getting the most mesos per hour (or per amount of effort) in the game. This only punishes the non-mage classes who are trying to obtain decent hp and don't have huge funds to use. There were points in time I could not afford pots to do zakum on my bm. My question is why change it? What benefit?

 

Motto wants justice for drks

 

If leech prices can adjust, why can't bossing prices adjust to the pot prices? After all bossers use the same pots leech sellers use, no? Prices of many things would adjust with this change, because people want to make profits or cover the pot cost.

 

Because there is only 2 drops worth anything from bosses. The odds of getting them is low so most boss runs are loss. Buyers aren't as common as leeches either. There is a surplus of people buying leech, plus more times they would use it vs number of people selling. There is a surplus of people selling boss services vs people buying and it is usually a one time thing per character.

In the end you have a lot more players bossing with no returns or minimal returns that doesn't cover the cost even remotely.

 

It also depends on how you do the math. If we disregard some of the weird food healing items, generally we have a cost breakdown of 1 meso per HP and 2 mesos per MP healed. There are few items that do fixed-heals on both (said weird food healing items), but their costs are all over the place. If we stick with this general premise (that it costs 1 meso per HP and 2 per MP), then the price breakdown is slightly different.

Assuming the cost breakdown of 15000 mesos for a full heal, that would break down to 5000 mesos for HP and 10000 mesos for MP in that heal, rather than the 7500-7500 split. With that cost breakdown, hornsters are actually priced exactly where they should be (paying exactly for percentage it would be 3000 per potion, so 2800 is close enough), while mana bulls should cost 6000 mesos apiece. The other both-heal cost changes (ginseng stuff) would be the same.

 

Thats exactly the current state of bossing now though, this change is meant to lower the efficiency of mage farming in general, and introducing a meso sink that is not exactly optional as most current meso sinks are. (meso sink is just a way for mesos to leave the game)

 

I personally do not care if this gets implemented, but I just want to note that this will hurt unwashed players disproportionately. It also will hurt non-thieves much harder. This is kind of like a regressive tax where our less washed, non thief players will be paying the most.

 

This won't negatively affect mages in any significant way. This is a minor change to a mage but would make a big difference to other classes. Yes bossing is already trash so let's make it more trash so a mage makes 1% less money?

 

S>cleric heal service. 15k per heal

 

i guess i'll juz eat grilled cheese forever

 

Chad Grilled Cheese 500hp+mp for 500 meso gets away unscathed.

 

I use ginseng root on my hero, on both zak, cwkpq and general 7F grind.
Being heavily washed (29k HP, 3k mp), it makes more economical sense to juggle between honster + ginseng + sorcerer elixir

 

I use honsters and ginseng root as a BM, but I have 12k mp right now because I am mid wash. But with 1/1s I go through honsters very fast. It adds up when your take from a run is 100k by you used 300 honsters.

Also when it comes to bossing you are punishing lower level parties that require more players in the party because they are already making less per run with same or higher cost, vs a higher level smaller party that will take larger cut of profit from a boss run.

 

For my unwashed BM, I have to use 1 honster per mob hit, so it's already prohibitively expensive to self-train at 7F/ToT (more expensive than the bull costs on my mage). That being said, I already pay 3k per honster, because I buy them from the FM...

Another thought is that if you increase the price of mana bulls, the price of PE will match accordingly (maybe go up to 8k). This WILL affect a lot of bossers. For an unwashed player, depending on the boss, you might have to double-honster per hit, or just use 1 PE which is more cost effective. So this will probably effectively double the cost of HT runs...

As Pepper stated above, I'm not sure if this will affect meso-farming mages *that* much (using shiv's 4x mage journal, doubling his pot costs and PE rewards, nets you around 21m/hr). Usually the entire market adjusts its prices according to the most degenerate meso farming strats anyways as more people adopt them.

This will affect a lot of early game A/Ms though, as it's probably prohibitively expensive to train at 5-6F at lvl 130.