Not a Bug Looting rework, where (selective) logic meets trash

spammy · Jun 15, 2021

Description of the bug: (optional screenshot/video): Pet is unable to loot while in Oak Barrel - Balance as intended but Balance team logic = bug?
What is supposed to happen?:
Option A: pet is able to loot while in Oak Barrel
Option B: Character is unable to loot while in Oak Barrel
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As you can see from the update, the logic is player can't manually loot while in dark sight hence it is counter intuitive for pets to be able to loot when their owner is unable to.

Applying the same logic, player is able to manually loot while in Oak Barrel hence it is counter intuitive for pets to be unable to loot while their owner is able to.

Please fix this bug.

Additional notes: If the intention was simply to completely nerf looting,

A - just give that as the reason and there is no need to spin more logic.
B - has it not already been nerfed by the fact that you can now only loot mesos if you are the killer?

BentPaw · Jun 15, 2021

This isn't a bug. You should make a balance suggestion or discussion post if you want to talk about the changes from the latest patch

Nightz · Jun 15, 2021

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He's kinda right tho, could've just been phrased differently instead of the current reason that doesn't apply to oak barrel.

Either way, it's definitely an intended change

geospiza · Jun 15, 2021

spammy said: ↑

A - just give that as the reason and there is no need to spin more logic.
B - has it not already been nerfed by the fact that you can now only loot mesos if you are the killer?
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There was a whole section of reasoning behind the change just prior to the screenshot you took. It's easy to miss because you have to expand the quoted section. In particular:

Nise said: ↑

The one inefficiency mages had was that they couldn't loot everything BECAUSE of the overwhelming number of mobs they were killing at different parts of the map. This inefficiency disappears entirely when a sweeper mule could move around in Dark Sight and have the pet pick up everything while the mage continued ulting with no interruptions at the most optimal locations.

This type of strategy dwarfs less efficient forms of meso making (usually by non-mage classes). Why would a person farm at a map with a warrior when farming with a mage requires much less effort AND much higher rewards?
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The pet loot nerf is a direct consequence from balancing these observations. As for the latter, it sounds like an experimental change that could go away.

Nise said: ↑

We are trying out a new method for meso looting where only the killer (and their pets) can loot mesos to see if this will discourage unhealthy strategies.
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No reason not to address a problem from multiple angles.

UnknownCode · Jun 15, 2021

The TL;DR is they did not like it when people that sold leech would use a sweeper to loot thats outside party which that character was low level using pet to loot the meso. (Dark Sight and Oak Barrel with pet/Shivering meso journal ideas)

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