Discussion on balance changes to sweeping.

What about prosthetic limbs?

 

Personal opinion.

This sweeping change is a buff to washing. I don't need to buy a pet and pet equipment anymore every 3 months. I can spend the NX on washing my BM.
I made the mistake of creating my BM and MU mule on same account 4Head

 

Oh I thought the 1 minute meso timer was a joke... How are chief bandits supposed to use meso explosion when you only have 1 minute?

 

carpal tunnel speedrun

 

I have feeling these changes are gunna be "rich get richer" type changes. A lot of the sweatiest farmers already have a 155+ NL/sed mules. Actively killing, isn't a strong requirement, because you can just macro an attack before you sweep. If you make it any harsher, then actual playstyles are going to be hurt (f/p mist finishers, priests that are HS/heal mules for roar). The event party point system currently only require you to attack once in the last short time period (not kill).

 

Here's my idea: Tax

How about, Mesos that are picked up by party members are heavily taxed, say 80%.

Fight me.

 

i juz wanna drop 50k mesos to noobs just like the ol days, the OG days, the way it was intended

All my chars are in an account and i had to transfer 200k to my other char the other way but it was far away from town, i dropped it at my usual FM room and to my horror i could not loot my 200k on my other char, i thought i was bugged and i was so scared i was shook, please reimburse me my 200k i am in debt

 

Sorry, I didn't explain myself clearly either. My first point was that a lot of the sweatiest farmers already have the necessary resources to work around the restrictions of 1) high level looter and 2) can kill mobs on their strong NL/shads. I think one of the main problems when new degenerate strategies arise is that the rich already have the resources or characters to execute immediately. By the time, even a dedicated player can "catch up", the strategy is already nerfed (taunt mule, HH mule, duo mage 5-6, quad mage ulu1, etc). So I would rather not relax the current rule to allow for the established players to benefit before it gets nerfed again (presumably). Also, I disagree that quad mage is "low investment", as leveling and funding 4x lvl 130 f/p mages is still more expensive than any degenerate strategies of the past.

My second point is that there are a lot of non-mages that would be hurt by <3 min loot timer. Maybe the examples I gave weren't the best. But there are a lot of large maps where the rotation takes longer than 1 minute. And you often only loot when you walk over the previous round's drops. For example when I grind on my BM at ToT or eruwaters, I can't feasibly walk to all my ranged kills because of the low mobility. If you only consider linear small maps like 7F, then yeah, your proposed change wouldn't affect active killing parties.

 

Here is an outlandish proposal, the more multiclients in a map the lower the drop rate of meso bags and equips. But then there would still be workarounds like leaving mules in other maps/fm or multi channel farming.

The relation between # of clients and the drop rate could be linear, or maybe something like an inverse logistic function.

 

Its a low investment, naked 13x fp 1hits ulu2 naked, just with a wand of cos. Coupling cheap leech prices, definitely cheap overall.

 

600m mesos and about 1billion brain cells for 4 mages definitely isn't cheap. And that's not counting 120-130

 

If I remember correctly they also had a 40 sec cooldown on ult and during the cooldown you could spam big bang, I kinda liked those days.

 

I suggest using a *0.75 on meso drop, thats what mostly aligns with my data samples.

A better formula to use is to EPH for 5 minutes (so you waste time on looting too 2 times) and average out the EPH over the mob exp in the map (if there are multiple either grab the avg or the median depending on number of mobs)

Use that to define how many mobs are "supposedly" being killed and use the formula again, I'd expect something like

( @epm5 / AVG(mobs) ) * 0.75
Or use MEDIAN(mobs) but here you'll have to list all the many mobs in a map (harder with gobies i.e.)

 

Disclaimer: didn't have ECON class in my highschool, lost hundreds (USD) in stock market, and passed a college level microecon AND accounting last term.

I originally thought the sweeper nerf was a creative way to decrease inflation. I've changed my mind after reading this thread. I won't try to garble out my thought process since others have already expressed well.

What I do want to mention is that the goal should not be to deflate economy, but to let it inflate at a more reasonable level. I do think that ML's market is inflated and I do believe an attempt to lessen that is good, but some degree of inflation is actually healthy for the market AND is inevitable in my personal opinion. For that reason, I appreciated some suggestions in this thread that were not related to sweepers or decreasing raw meso generations. Such example suggestions include increasing meso sink or stimulating bossing population. They promote market circulation rather than directly nerfing some aspect of economy, which would help the market to stabilize in a more natural manner.

That being said, the best course of action the staffs can take would be to hire a professional economist and a data scientist and have them figure this out within the next 6 months.

 

Jafel they need a data scientist, go!