Discussion on balance changes to sweeping.

The fact of the matter is that we are constantly adapting to big changes like these and at some point the game gets stale and we chase after the next meta until that gets changed.

This is no longer maplestory v62.

 

certainly its not v62, there has been many changes implemented.
is it nostalgic however?
does it even matter if its nostalgic at this point? there's so many players doing multi-clients and don't play maple full screen.
and im pretty sure most people play maple fullscreen back den, focusing on one char.

 

I'm starting to think that having nerfs to money-making methods puts newer players at a disadvantage relative to older players. In the same way that boomers had it easier than millenials, older players had access to far more and far better strategies like gobies, mannes, leps, voodoos, duo duku leech, 5-6 leech, and now the sweeper change. I'm not trying to argue that some of these changes shouldn't have been made, but that I suspect there are unintended, negative consequences to them that should be addressed. Obviously the direct effect of all these changes is that older and more established players become worse off. But relative to newer players, it actually makes them better off because the newer players can never achieve that level of meso-making. Then, with that accumulated wealth, older players have an easier time finding and adapting to new strategies.

For that reason, and for just plain enjoyment, I think we should consider more buffs to alternatives than nerfs to dominant strategies. Plus, positive incentives work better and make people happier than negative incentives.

 

Completely agree 100%. This post summarises my main issue with the game at the moment.

 

New players also have had easier access to nx (multi vote + ap resets from events were not a thing in the past), significantly cheaper skillbooks (HT skillbooks use to be significantly more expensive), and an overall easier time leveling due to advanced metas / buffs to grinding maps.

Sure, its harder to reach end game now than before due to increased cs / ws prices, but reaching the mid/late game is easier now than before.

 

Not to mention that it seems like posting on forums and sharing any sort of insightful information seems to be actively de-incentivized as of late. NerfLegends really is setting the precedent for more isolated gameplay.

Edit: I'd like to add that one of my favorite experiences of Maplestory was being able to talk openly about various builds and strategies on community forums like sleepywood.net or basilmarket.com without worrying about a conflict of interests regarding nerfs/changes. I love that Legends is a small, close-knit community, but the constant nerfs make me want to share less and less.

 

Refusing to nerf something problematic because older players have already taken advantage of it is a really bad reason not to change something. You can use that reasoning to argue that any nerf that has ever happened on this server was a bad idea.

 

IMO ideally if you release new content you want it on the lackluster end of the spectrum and buff it to the point where you want it to be if you aren't sure how it will turn out.

For example this event. HPQ was busted and received a nerf after being abused for a good while. That sucks both because you get an influx of gear caused by muling and channel hogging making more casual players unable to participate, and then it sucks because the pq gets nerfed and everyone that wanted to make use of it suffers.

On the other hand you had Latanica and Pap/Rav for the lower level players that couldn't join the good PQs anymore. It started out barely worth the effort and is now a decent option to get points. That feels way better.

 

If you're responding to me, I actually said the opposite of this:
"I'm not trying to argue that some of these changes shouldn't have been made, but that I suspect there are unintended, negative consequences to them that should be addressed."

I'm trying to say that every outcome of a change should be considered and managed, to prevent unintended consequences. Like if a kid is playing with a hazardous toy, you need to take it away, but then you gotta give the kid a new toy to play with or everyone's gonna have a bad time.

 

Are we bringing back the infamous kickball example

 

I'm all for adding new content and QoF features to enhance the game, but I'll say that this nerf and other unexpected nerfs in the server did a lot more harm than good imo.

 

It would technically still worsen eph for single-client mages across the board, the severity of which would depend on how long it would take to charge the ult.

 

Time to nerf ML boomers, add expiries to WS/CS, delete them like stews

 

One of the main complaints about this server has been HP washing so it makes sense they make HP washing more available, especially when not all bosses were doable without it & newer content requiring more HP has been added. Even then the AP reset availability during events has also taken a rather severe nerf. Multivoting has been broken for about a month and it doesnt seem like g-bottom is going to fix it soon

Skillbooks were more expensive? So boss runs were more profitable? Skillbook price would gone down anyway because you only need 1 pass per character per book.

WS/CS have gone up in price, despite the lower money making ability of the modern mapler which is why people are complaining about the repeated nerfs, especially when the nerfs seem like hatchet jobs where as the buffs seem to be slight polishes. It now takes far longer with the same effort in the same maps to make money to buy the same items, which have been hoarded by players because of tax dodging & the low meso cap. It must have been terrible having to decide which of the half a dozen viable money making spots to use, leveling any character with the most rewarding 5-6 leech exp rates, while people are on here asking for nerfs after they have already milked it to death, aiming to make it harder for newer players to catch up

Yeah its a great experience not having people around to PQ because everyone else is just leeching, guess i'll just leech too.

 

Adding a short expiry time (1-2 weeks?) would help them be used for scrolling as intended, as opposed to being held as currency.

 

Its ok that would-be 10 minutes saved is gone because of cancel spam now anyway

 

bring back SI for mages still gotta milk it

 

Isn't the anniversary event supposed to be the premier event? the event that is the most compelling of the year? the one that lures players back to the server and helps market the server for new ones?