A spin to weapon cancels

I support this thread because

 

Paladin buff or HH crash mule buff?

 

Make Paladin charged attacks be magic damage. It would give them an option of attacking with charges or without, thereby by-passing cancels as a niche play.

 

I'm a fan of Pally's having their skill actually work. On GMS, they eventually did that - but they gave that skill to Heros and DKs, too. The cooldown was like 6M, and the cancel that Zak had was programmed to go off every 1 to 1.5 minutes. So even if you had 3 pallys that cancelled the effect in a row, the fourth one was surely going to go the duration.

 

If we kept weapon/magic cancel cool downs the same while decreasing weapon/magic cancel duration by half/a third, that would basically fix how awful fighting HT, scar, targa, etc. feels right now

 

I'm in the camp that is in favor of making HT harder, but I do not think this is the right way. There needs to be some change that can bring back cleave into this meta. The head-only meta is one of my least favorite changes that have shifted Horntail strategy to be super one-dimensional, and with the recent change, it basically phased out all cleave from being viable.

I wonder if reverting back to one mass seduce timer for each arm at 1-1.5 minutes would be a plausible change to save cleave. This would allow cleave to go ham on the arms/wings/head, and it'd add to bishop play for keeping shield up during mass. Early arms down means for fewer pots burned as well, with the debuffs and mana drain being reduced.

As for the more frequent cancels, personally, I don't mind that much as it forces attackers to be more attentive and mobile, which is one of the best features of Horntail that sets itself apart from other bosses in this game.

 

change cancel so that instead of stopping 100% of your damage, make it like a 50% damage reduction. This keeps cleave relevant in HT.

 

I like this. Cancel is such a valueless mechanic. It's high time something was done about it.

 

I've actually had a few paladin/hero changes on my mind that I wanted to suggest, but I didn't think they'd get any traction.
I want to say wholeheartedly agree with changing non-dk warrior cancels to be usable, instead of totally worthless. I believe this would be the primary way to go for the following reasons:

1. Imagine, for a second, that Paladins not only had a Magic Crash that canceled a boss' magic cancel buff, but the Threaten skill also lowered a boss' magic defense in addition to w.defense. Imagine the party build diversity this could open up. Magic-focused parties might actually be viable instead of straight trash. 3 mages, 1 paly, 2 anything else. Obviously, this kind of party would be incredibly slow, but I remember that when 2 mages were in a party during Zak runs, if the fight dragged on long enough, Zakum would run out of mp. This kind of zak build would focus on safety instead of speed. Paladins would have some party utility in a magic party and mages might possibly be able to do zakum, at least. A win-win!
I feel like this would be a really really really cool idea to implement. Please consider it dear admins.
2. If Heroes could cancel a boss' Weapon Cancel buff, party diversity would also increase. DKs are a must-have for all parties not for HB, but rather because it's the only warrior that can canel the most important boss buff. If Heroes could get this ability, you may see some niche parties that don't require HB to survive, which I think is really cool.​

 

In the current washing meta, an archmage in zak is going to pull more weight than quite a few other classes. A combination of being full power in terms of ap and only needing a couple skills to get most of their output. You just dont see archmage in zak because people think the 200 int NL would be more useful, and because the archmage has better uses of their time (bossing is bad, remember).

If anything, I've thought archmage does pretty well early but falls off hard due to not having a weapon attack multiplier to keep up with the influx of higher tier gear. An int/m.att is going to be slightly better than a main stat point than other classes, but while everyone is chaosing for w.att, mage gets left in the dust. The "built-in" quadratic scaling of magic is too slow in today's standard.

 

I would agree, however, I'm pretty sure mages would only boss while fitting into a niche and still not do as well. As in, they would be nowhere near as viable as an attackers party, even if they're in the magic-aligned party they would hypothetically fit in.

Hero mules? Do people make mules for removing weapon cancel and then bring them into bosses?

 

If heroes could actually do that I'd bet my left nutsack and both front teeth that people would indeed do that.

We absolutely can't have nice things in this server because of the multiclient rule. See paladins.

Anyway, yeah delete cancel mechanics from the game and increase every boss hp by 25% if you have to, these mechanics are a shining example of how clueless Neckson was as a gameplay designer back then. Altho i do concur with ovv that it's acceptable and even kinda fun in ht to make you move around. But when scar or zak does it it's like fine i'll just stare at the screen I guess

 

why not have weapon cancel target one of the jobs in the party specifically? this would encourage diverse party comps since only one-two players would be cancelled by it at a time, unless they chose to stack a single class? and of course, balance the duration and cooldown to keep it in line with the intended difficulty. maybe balance it around a typical party doubling up on couple jobs so this isn't too overbearing on getting a party together.

 

Can we have WC only target NLs?

 

Question: are there a lot of people making DKs for the sole purpose of using them to debuff zak/HT/PB/Scar+Targa/other bosses?