White scroll

WS expiring has bigger problems than price fluctuation(s), namely kicking the problem down to the next most versatile item (cs). The people who buy ws as a store of value are lowering the supply for the users who want to use the scroll for its intended purpose, and increase the price.

People using it as a store of value keep the price continually trending upward. The main problem with ws is that the demand for it is inelastic. If you compare the expected value between using a 30% + Ws, 30% + CSS vs a 10% WS on nearly finished items (+5 or higher) WS could cost something stupid like 500m each and still be worthwhile to purchase. For people with +5 / very valuable items, its simply the best option by far.

Below is a screenshot from Moomin's perfect weapon calculator, using a red craven as an example. (51 att clean craven at 12m, claw att 30% at 4.5, css at 6m, and white scroll at 500m).

 

I think we both agree on the notion that individual players don't have much choice when it comes to finishing their weapons/gear with WS.

However, I think there's a slight error in equating "being willing to buy" and "demand". Even if you're willing to buy WS at 400m doesn't mean you're going to buy the same number of WS at 400m.

I also agree that users that buy out WS increases its price for users that need it. However, WS prices are determined by the rate at which WS is produced and consumed, not by how many WS a person happens to have sitting in storage. I disagree with the notion that this practice causes prices to go continually upward; instead, I would claim that it causes a non-increasing increase in price that's just a function of the rate at which scrolls are being leeched into currency.

 

And gets banned for rwt before she could even equip it

 

there's never just one reason for price changes lol if i were you, i wouldn't say that with such confidence

 

Mb, it highly doubt that timeless weapons are the cause though. Nothing worth white scrolling has dropped so far, and if someone was trying to make a perf timeless, they would’ve been accumulating ws over time rather than suddenly spiking the price and fucking themselves over.

 

It is probably temporary.
Price spike due to people completing weapons.
<<info from Owl Repo>>

 

If you really think prices are inflated from speculation, then your best solution is to just not to buy WS until prices go back down. If prices don't go back down, then the prices weren't really inflated (from speculation) in the first place.

If your problem is with people profiteering from fluctuations in WS prices, then adding an expiry date will only worsen that problem since there won't be a reserve of WS to stabilize prices when demand increases.

 

Some dude out there holding 30 ws would like to say a huge F U.
In any case, an expiry date would just drop the current price until the expiry date, then the price will still mostly maintain due to the production rate.

This is literally a supply and demand issue here, but no, let's do something to the looting to something something deflation.

 

3 months isn't long enough to get a truly representitive picture, try going back a year or so

 

1yr ago , 140m WS 65m CS. But 1 yr ago MW 500m and gen 300m.
How about going back 3 years? MW 1b?

 

So bossing was more profitable & WS were cheaper? Sounds like a good time. Maybe some alternate way of getting money apart from leech is needed in modern times.

 

The guy holding 30 ws can piss off. Ppl holding ws is the reason the market is short on supply.

The motivation to make ws have an expiry date is to prevent it from being used as currency. I would argue WS prices increase, not only when someone is perfecting a weap, but also when ppl buy/sell using WSs. There's nothing wrong with using WS to finishing your weap; that's what they're for. What I think is unhealthy is using WS as a form of currency to buy/sell since it adds a lot of demand. And if you know that WS as a currency keeps rising in price, why would a seller receiving payment in the form of WS want to re-circulate them back into the FM?

You are right that if an expiry date is added to WS, they would still be worth a lot initially and lose value as it approaches the expiry time. That's why if expiry is added, it'd have to be very unforgiving to holders (maybe like 1 week long) so that it loses value as currency but have no effect in usefulness for finishing weapons.

The only concern I have with adding expiry is that will the vehicle of currency move to a different item? WS isn't only the valuable item these days. There's CS, bwg/ym, atk capes, gfa30, and maybe even mw20 (pog) etc.

 

I think the best solution would be a different source for WS and CS, maybe bossing ?
if PB and HT would drop white scrolls and chaos scrolls it will increase bossing profitability and increase WS supply which in turn will lower prices, win win .
and hopefully with time the scrolls will go genesis 30 rout and drop price to something manageable, rather than "multiclient mage farms or no scroll for u".

 

there is also a possibility that if u make WS expire ppl will use prefect weapons with WS succefuly used on them as currency, i mean if the mechanic forces u to use the scroll than ppl will use on a good weapon and if succesfull will triple-quadrupole its price. ppl will just trade +5/+6 weapons as currency

 

I don't think this would happen just by argument of versatility. The reason why WS/CS are worth so much right now is because of versatility; every class would like to use WS to perf weaps, every atker class would like to use CS to improve their capes/gloves hence their high demand.

Weapons however are niche market items. +5/+6 craven is not worth the same as +5/+6 battle axe. If I were to purchase/sell an item using currency of other items, it doesn't make sense for me to use something so niche. A good currency is worth alot whoever is the recipient i.e. versatile. I would not accept payment in the form of +5/+6 battle axe; it's worthless to me.

 

I dunno what you are looking at, but MW and Gen were nowhere near those prices 1 year ago.

 

weapons was definitely not a good choice on my part, but it can be any other popular equipment, maybe +6 brown glove ?