Staff should stop enforcing roll gambling

On top of what kimmy has already said, I will provide my own experience that entirely disagrees with your point.

Having been a staff before Roll Scamming clause wasn't a thing, these roll scams were as rampant if not more. The reason why Roll Scamming clause was created to begin with was because there were a lot of roll scams going on at the time. I believe I derived the roll scamming clause from the existing scamming clause to deter these scams. On hindsight I could've suggested to embellish roll gambling altogether, but that wouldn't be very fun. Anyway, the number of roll scamming incidents dropped after the enactment of the clause and some enforcements.

Now, I don't know how rampant the roll scams are nowadays. That being said, I think the clause still works as a good deterrent. I understand that it can be seen as normalizing roll gambling, but it only restricts scams and warns players to be aware. We have "hacking" clause but that doesn't mean hacking is normalized by ML. The roll gambling clause also gives a heavy warning that players should proceed at their own risk, so they already assume 100% risk and responsibility.

tl;dr roll scam clause saves staffs time unlike what's being argued, roll gambling is not being normalized/sponsored/legitimized by staffs, players assume all danger associated with roll gambling as is.

Edit: if kimmy's response wasn't clear, "entirely governed by players" is also a big no-no. This would not work because blacklist (of scammers) or whitelist (of legit players) are both disallowed. This also doesn't provide any wall from players from getting scammed at all. People can easily make mules to circumvent the 'players government' whereas it's not as easy against staffs.

 

Plz don't do this, I use rolls in party grinding for stuff like gacha and rare scrolls and for area boss cards.

 

Hmm. I guess it ultimately depends on the way you handle things on the back-end, and how you want to normalize certain aspects of gameplay.
Personally, I think gambling/rolling is dumb enough to the point I wouldn't mind more people getting scammed in the transitional period of anarchy. As long as staff holds a hard line of auto-rejection for any appeals regarding roll scamming, a player-based social contract should emerge.

Sure, people will continue to scam, but the community would quickly learn to not engage in such types of practices outside of their social circles.

Edit: I do understand that the grey area and big drama does derive from those instances where trust is betrayed amongst friends.

I think the main point (for me) is that staff/mods shouldn't have to waste time reviewing roll scam reports when there are presumably more important matters at hand. I guess this could ultimately be resolved by moving all roll scamming reports to the bottom of the priority list, with a turnover time of something like 3+ months.

 

If the goal is to lessen staff work but is being presented by someone unable to view how many requests are received, I feel that the request has lack of data to even be of merit.

As precel said, they did not use to have a clause to protect people from roll scamming and it was worse then than it is now. Removing those protections will likely result in return to the same problem. The server may also have more users than before which can make this a lot worse.

So then instead of having simple evidence of a clip, easy peasy done, you will create more work on the back end of harassment reports which are much harder to investigate and have more complexity involved.

If you don't like roll gambling don't do it. I don't think it's good to assume staff work load from this type of report. I feel like staff has much more data and knowledge on this type of issue than players do and calling for anarchy of any portion of the player base results in spillover and toxicity.

 

Is it possible to turn that RPS mini game, into an official gambling npc? Both put up items/meso in a trade screen, whoever wins gets the item.

 

You know, I've thought of this too, and honestly it seems like not a bad idea. That being said though it does take a lot of dev work to do client modifications like this and we have events and other stuff to focus on. But given enough time and stuff I think this would be sick!!

 

maple casino when

 

staff backed Maple casino with Maple slots and Maple blackjack! The best meso sink ever!
What happens in Las Megas stays in Las Megas!!

 

Brilliant. Buy gambling currency with meso, play slots to acquire exclusive untradeable chairs that rotate. Capitalize on people's FOMO.

 

As someone without a mage, gambling is my only chance to break free from the chains of poverty and rise up to the multiclienting 1%. Sure I already lost all my money, but if this change takes place I will lose my last ray of hope as well. Please don’t take away gambling it’s all I have left

 

To be fair this entire game is already basically a giant casino

 

There have been multiple threads suggesting NPC run gambling events or games. Casino would be a good mesos sink~~~

 

Raffle off the items/meso from banned users.

 

Even if you did this, I think it's a good start to disable rolling in FM. So that it largely even if not entirely, takes care of the problem until devs get around to adding the NPC. Plus, even when there is an NPC, depends how it's done, it won't necessarily stop people form gambling loudly in FM, so this would cause gamblers to go to NPC instead of meeting in FM.

(I say FM specifically, because we can't argue it's necessary in Bosses/PQ's, and taking into account that some people roll in the fields as Daydreamer mentioned)
I'd even say to disable it in towns as well, and limit it to maps that have a mob.

This would be my suggestion on this case.

 

that is actually an amazing solution to slow inflation of the currency, and probably the most Fun meso sink I can think of.

 

To all of my gambling brothers/sisters, lets assemble in HHG for rolling parties when rolling gets disabled from FM