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Important New System for White Scrolls (Feedback Thread)

Discussion in 'MapleLegends Announcements' started by Nise, Jul 6, 2021.

How do you feel about the Prestigious Coin system?

Poll closed Jul 14, 2021.
  1. Strongly support

    190 vote(s)
    34.4%
  2. Slightly support

    130 vote(s)
    23.6%
  3. Neutral

    90 vote(s)
    16.3%
  4. Slightly oppose

    71 vote(s)
    12.9%
  5. Strongly oppose

    71 vote(s)
    12.9%
  1. Pepper
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    Pepper Wolfspider

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    This is pretty similar to what was suggested in this thread https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...rolls-and-cs-being-a-tax-free-currency.38890/

    I remember reading a few suggestions about adding a trade limit but I don't recall receiving a staff response.
     
  2. PostureCheck
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    PostureCheck King Slime

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    I'm neutral about the coin system it should be fun to see how it plays out but I highly agree with pepper the priority should be the WS issue and the easiest solution to that in my opinion is making the cwkexchange quest much easier I'm a huge fan of 25 all badges. Monitor the price if it drops to hard revert changes, it doesn't then we found a solution. Personally I see cwkexchange as night ghosts/foxes for higher lvls.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 7
  3. philip
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    philip Mixed Golem

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    I think its an interesting proposal and I would strongly support the system over what we have now if I didn't have these concerns:

    * I don't like the idea of Prestigious Coins dropping from bosses because I feel like it will encourage solo-bossing, however, I do like that bossing could become more worth doing in terms of getting messos because right now it is really clear that it is Leech to win with mages even though they have gotten nerfed, so many times this year directly and indirectly.

    * Would players have to split messos from 1 Prestigious Coin if it is dropped from Zakum for example? Would this diminish or encourage teamwork or solo play?

    * What I am going to miss will be the white scroll service since I don't like the rng in scrolling at all, so I try to pay a bit more for 100%. I really hope this concept can stay in the game in a different manner maybe and I hope it gets resolved in a Reasonable way.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  4. ma3ohma3
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    ma3ohma3 Chronos

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    I think the meso splitting might be an issue but I can see why this system is advocated over the NT coin system, i.e. to prevent muling of coins. But of course, this will shift the meta from multi mage farming to multi-char bossing.
    But hey, if the bosses drops ample coins, maybe there will enough to split them physically i assume?
     
  5. Holp
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    Holp Master Chronos Retired Staff

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    You can just treat it like any other item.
    Sell for mesos, give splits to runners.
    Sell to runners.
    Roll.
    Unless I'm misunderstanding. :sleep:
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
  6. Nightz
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    Nightz Supervisor Staff Member Supervisor Game Moderator

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    Nothing should change to this matter either, now you'll just provide x coins that are enough for the WS scroll service seller to exchange to 12 WS per slot, so no worries
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  7. philip
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    philip Mixed Golem

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    If you can split the profit I think its good
     
  8. Kirisame
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    Kirisame Pac Pinky

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    How about give CS/WS an expiration date to force them into circulation or to be used.
    The expiration date can be renewed by paying some hording tax to a NPC.

    Make the mesos 64 bit or introduce something like million/billion coins to make mesos 1st class currency again.

    This solves the ”why should I change my WS to coins” problem.

    Simple and naive idea, just saying.
     
    • Creative Creative x 3
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  9. yurain
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    yurain Windraider

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    As we are back to the 19Xm range.
    Can I change my vote from slightly support to stronger support, and maybe add in a desperately support option?
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  10. OP
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    Nise Supervisor Staff Member Supervisor Game Moderator

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    You should be able to switch your vote~
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  11. Solo
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    Solo Red Snail

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    The direction is good, but i think you guys need to create new values from bossing (Spacial potions, Spacial Weapons/scrolls, APresets), intervening the WS/CS market can make many problems.
    If you guys seek to make changes in WS/CS Supply, you should find more controlable intervention (like Inc the roll rates from gacha, events etc..)
    Thus, Bossing should have their own unique values for players, that are not impacting directly (rather indirectly) the currect state and movments of the economy (Cuz WS/CS are so central in this game economy system, a small uncontrolable change can make a huge & sometimes nagative impact on the overalll economy).
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. Shengo
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    Shengo Slime

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    Hmm, for me this introduces more complicated process to bossing. Not sure if they can make it instead of boss drop, it will be awarded to players in the map based on their amount of effort during the boss round, such as no. of successful attack skill cast landed on the boss? Not sure what is the best way to judge players effort in each bossing round yet so that all the award does not go to the DPS classes.
     
  13. Nightz
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    Nightz Supervisor Staff Member Supervisor Game Moderator

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    All it adds is having 1 more item in your store along with the other loot that you have to sell from the boss run, I don't see how this can possibly be too complicated for people hosting boss runs
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  14. LuckySae
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    LuckySae Red Snail

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    Simple is better, just make them more accessible through drops and prices will regulate.
     
  15. jesscapades
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    jesscapades Pac Pinky

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    Someone asked me why having prices of different items pegged to each other is a bad idea. Although I strongly oppose this change, if it does go through I very strongly disagree that prices should be pegged as it can lead to the exact same situation as we are in now.

    Example (not factoring in tax-like cost for simplicity):
    If cs value jumps up 20% (say 150m to 180m) while ws only goes up 5% (say 200m to 210m), people will buy coins for 20% more (say 1m to 1.2m) in order to buy cs. Since ws are exchanged using coins, the ws price goes up 20% too from 200 to 240. Now ws are just hella expensive and overpriced, and many people won’t want to buy them—exactly where we’re at now. Plus all the items that are made from ws, like perfect weapons, will be sold at way higher prices than buyers would pay for. And even worse, all the substitutes of ws might go up, such as cs and GFA. Already the unnecessary ws price inflation is bad, but if this happens it could fall into a never ending cycle.

    I only mentioned ws/cs here but having other boss drops like RoT being pegged to ws/cs can also be problematic. Nothing with utility should be pegged as the market should decide relative prices.

    Edit: Also the fact that this is only considered a con in the original post and not a major, detrimental flaw is very concerning to me.
     
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
  16. LurkinShadow
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    LurkinShadow Mixed Golem

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    It seems as a cool feat that allows to balance superior leeching meta to highly RNG-dependent bossing.
    I think any mid-tier player (and maybe god-tier) should support this.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  17. Pepper
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    Pepper Wolfspider

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    I would just like to say in my opinion this whole thread should not have been posted until after the boss buff changes were completed. You are presenting a pack of starved animals with potentially poisoned food, but telling them they will get something later. If this was presented after the boss buff the player base would be able to distinguish this more for what it is as a suggestion rather than being desperate for any Indication of money making from bosses again.
     
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Disagree Disagree x 3
  18. KurayamiLove
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    KurayamiLove Skelegon

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    Bossing is like going to a casino the games work in a way that makes you lose most of the time and people that know that only attend to have a good time.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. Hiyo
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    Hiyo Headless Horseman Retired Staff

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    I don't believe that this system is purely buffs to bossing, but a system that tackles multiple concerns and seeks to solve them. The system is an attempt to solve (these are probably just a few):
    • WS/CS hoarding
    • WS/CS supply
    • Tax-free exchange (Tax can be applied when turning Coins back to WS/CS with some meso)
    Bossing is tied to this system as a way to keep a steady flow of supply of coins, so that hoarding and supply issues are solved, at the same time the supply is somewhat controlled as instanced bosses have limited entries per day. You can probably put this to farming but farming is in already a good state that it doesn't need anything, but without any external supply other than WS/CS pulls people can just hold their CS/WS and watch prices go up.

    I also think that this is good as it makes working towards 1 CS/WS more feasible since you're able to buy fractions till you have enough to make a whole, whereas what we currently have, you need to save a whole lot for the whole.

    I just think this thread is going on a tangent about bossing buffs rather than the system as a whole in order to tackle these issues, not just the bossing concern that players share.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  20. Pepper
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    Pepper Wolfspider

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    This is exactly my point. Everyone is seeing this as a buff for bossing because the actual bossing buff hasn't been revealed or completed so the feedback on the thread is not correct on what the purpose of the change is trying to achieve. Had they waited until after the boss buffs, it may be perceived differently.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Like Like x 2

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