Balance Pink Bean Statue stages

I'd say, problem is, whether staff team see this as 'range players cowarding on bird statues' as 'tactics because it was same in pre-BB original MS' or, 'thing should be fixed so be balanced between melee/ranges'.

PB is good example of extremely unbalanced boss between melee/range players. just remember before ariel hitbox change what melee players did on that statue. neckson indeed.

To be balanced or to be authentic, is the question.

 

As we have seen from the changes in horntail from 2019 onwards, restoring mechanics to their GMS authenticity flying the the flag of "bug fixes" often results in atrocious balancing mistakes. The balance team members at the time even pointed out the catastrophic consequences of the HT changes back in the day, but were swiftly shut down in the name of "bug fix". Please do not make the same mistake for PB.

 

This would make PB runs significantly harder right? Either way sounds like a good change.

 

I very much second this suggestion. It always feels iffy to bring hero’s to pb since they simply do less dmg on a single target, which is all you can do in pb. This change would make it a necessity to have a few sed-absorbing classes on the run.

I’m not saying that hero’s have no place in the current pb, as godly geared hero’s still out-dmg scrubby NLs. I’m just saying that if everyone has perfected gear at some point, warriors will most likely be phased out of pb

 

can I agree more than once?

 

If talking about classes best for absorbing seds, both shads and washed NLs (both of which already have a place on bean runs) are significantly tankier than hero/pally as the latter is capped at 30k hp.

I think if the goal was to declare inentional bird Freezing aggro abuse (really not sure why it isnt), it is currently impossible at this point in time. I actually think Phase 4 is doable this way as you can effectively save the Right Bird for last where seds are much less dangerous. But due to the aggro range of the bird, Ariel becomes impossible to fight without dealing with seds and Ariel's attacks.

Imo a non-bird freeze run should be doable if:
1. Right Bird's aggro range is reduced to the right half of the map (not including ariel, or at least allowing range to safely reach ariel)
2. Obvious Aggro Abuse is declared Aggro Abuse.

Of course, any changes would only serve to make the run more challenging and statues take longer, which means more dpm required, so the situation likely wouldnt change for non-support melee classes. Right Bird is fire weak though, so that might be something.

 

The more I think about this, the more I think it could be possible, though there is certainly no reason to even attempt to do so right now both in terms of dpm/time and in terms of risk associated. Strategies would likely revolve around having 5 bishops (which most squads already do), but instead using full squad shields to hit-and-run the right bird, retreating back left (or even right) before the shield runs out. Of course, the biggest impediments to such a plan would be dispels. Ariel dispel wont be an issue if she isnt attacked (which is not even feasible with current aggro ranges). I think Rex may have a % hp threshold before dispelling as well, though I'm unsure on that.

Theres still a fair amount of strategization as well in how to approach shield downtimes. Split the squad to remove Rex and come back in a couple minutes to nuke again, or have a bucc tl all 5 shields and go again right away? Itd also possibly bridge some of the gap between classes, although mobility will still provide an edge. The right bird priority target is fire weak, so paladins could see good use there as well.

Of course, a noticeable issue with such a strategy is an over-reliance on bishops/shields. In case of DC, a squad would likely need some form of a contingency plan. Perhaps a party that is likely to still survive without shields especially as other statues are eliminated, or a party that can rope/chair and hide in smoke, or a spare bishop or simply just accept some potential deaths? None ideal, but emergency measures nonetheless.

In all, while potential for time loss is higher and runs would be riskier, I think there is still room for strategic planning around not aggro abusing the statues. It's obviously inferior to aggro abuse, so there is currently no reason to explore other avenues while it is allowed.

 

Low avoid ability makes warriors suffer from consistent stun. And that leads to significantly lower dpm during statue.
How about make stun time shorter so warrior can get a better life during statue?

 

I think no warrior class is viable for pink bean in it's current state.. (please if u invite DK for HB that's not make it viable..)

great suggestion Akash <3 I wish it'll implemented to warriors can do damage in PB