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Pickpocket re-work

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Lirbo, Aug 3, 2021.

Yay or nay?

  1. Yay

    88.2%
  2. Nay (why tho?)

    11.8%
  1. Lirbo
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    Lirbo Slimy

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    So many people complain that Pickpocket (Chief Bandit skill) gets them lagged or even DC'd. I personally never experienced it, but I guess it's mainly for Mac users and people with wooden PCs.

    The current drop rate of the mesos is 50%, how about decreasing the drop rate to 25% but doubling the amount of mesos that it drops?

    Pros:
    1. Solves the lag issues for people with trashy PCs and Macs
    2. No longer huge spams of the meso pickup
    3. Less work to pick everything up
     
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  2. Holp
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    Holp Master Chronos Retired Staff

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    So pickpocket drops 1% of the damage dealt in mesos. Capped at 200 mesos dropped.
    With this change, unless you're dealing ~40k+ lines consistently, it would straight up be a nerf to the 'weaker' players that are dealing less damage.:sleep:

    EDIT: Unless you mean to make that 1% > 2%

    Current
    Drop rate 50%, 1% of damage dealt EDIT: Drop rate 60%***
    Suggested
    Drop rate 25%, 2% of damage dealt

    Is what I am getting? :sleep:, would have to raise the 200 cap then I think.
     
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    Lirbo
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    That's exactly what I meant, thanks for the clarification :)
     
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    codiacs Horny Mushroom

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    Might as well uncap pickpocket too while we're at it.

    #MakePickPocketGreatAgain
    #ShadUprising
    #AppleOnArms
     
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  5. Nise
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    Nise Supervisor Staff Member Supervisor Game Moderator

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    So I've always been curious about the pickpocket formula, and it doesn't seem to be anywhere. Nothing from data mines back from 2008 and definitely not in the wz files themselves. I'm guessing the formula itself is hard coded in and not easily adjustable (?), but I'm not a dev so I don't reallyyyyy know just how difficult it is. Just interesting information to know/consider~

    Also, the meso drop rate seems to be 60% atm at least from what the ML Lib says ^^
     
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  6. Soblet
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    Soblet Zakum

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    It's just a rounded down 1% of the damage you dealt with a minimum of 10 and maximum of 200 mesos dropped. It also doesn't work with a bunch of skills most notably assassinate.
     
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    Nise Supervisor Staff Member Supervisor Game Moderator

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    Is it the same at all levels :eek:
     
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    Soblet Zakum

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    I can't say with certainty but I'm pretty sure leveling the skill only increases the chance to drop, the duration and the mp cost.

    It's easy to test if you have a gm account ;)
     
  9. Gurk
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    Gurk Nightshadow

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    That would be rad. I like the idea of investing into meme shad gear and having it pay dividends. Imagine appling :happy:.

    Just need to have it work with nate and people will bring shads on runs not for their damage but for their ability to offset pot costs.

    #MakePPGreatAgain
    #MakePPWorkWithNate
    #MakeSEWorkWithNate
    #ShadUprising
     
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    HollyCrap Capt. Latanica

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    It's not! It increases to 1% as you level it up, dont have a source BUT tested myself. Might be wrong tho...


    I'm leaning more to the whole #MakePickpocketGreatAgain movement, where we uncap PickPocket or increase its cap and make it work with Nate. I personally have never seen anyone complain about PP lagging at boss fights tho...
     
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    JKNS Selkie Jr.

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    Meso looting attempts (successful or otherwise) interfere with autopot, so I've always found Pickpocket incredibly annoying at CWK cleave as a source of additional lag and increased likelihood of pet failure. It's definitely a mixed bag with more than its fair share of annoyances.
     
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  12. HollyCrap
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    HollyCrap Capt. Latanica

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    Now that you mentioned it.. i've experienced that too!
     

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