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White scroll

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by umaga, Jun 27, 2021.

  1. Jaewonnie
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    Honestly this makes the most sense to me. It sets a hard upper limit to the price as well as being a meso sink which I believe the server really needs.

    The only prob is that v62 class imbalances means mages prevail again. Maybe one way around this is that, in order to purchase WS from an NPC, you need both meso and to clear a series of bosses.
     
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    i think we're all forgetting the big elephant in the room, "Multi-clienting (sweaty) Mages".

    Even if we solve the WS/CS issue it'll bottleneck elsewhere in the economy because players are creative. Which is why limiting this ugly meso farming scene is necessary.
     
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    The trash mages at mannies all day print more mesos than the multi-mage farmers with optimal setups. I don't even know why people still blame them when they're only a small community of players. Marathon vs. sprint.

    The only difference is that the multi-mage farmers are smart enough to know that White Scrolls are a better store of value.
     
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    Trying to fix multimaging or other forms of raw 'meso printing' is always gonna resort in some sort of cat-and-mouse game where sweaties find out new ways to farm meso.
    Imho the way to resolve the constant inflation falls back to a principle this server has always relied on: meso sinks.
     
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    Can someone point out what's the downside of having a NPC that directly sells ws/cs?
    This introduces a upper limit price which also acts as a huge meso sinks.
    Lets say the NPC price is 200m, even with the most degen meso farming strat by akash still takes 5 hours to get 1 ws/cs, while casual ulu2 farmers takes 25hours to do so.
    Main advantage is the meso generated will get removed directly instead of depending on trades (takes ~20? trades to sink half of its value)

    Power creep will definitely be a thing, but at this point, it is just asking how much power creep staffs gonna give for the price to not keep inflating.
     
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    I like this idea, but only if the addition of a tax is included. Similarly to the ws-fragments from bosses thingie, where you can sell a ws for 200m but buy one for like 205 or whatever. At least let there be a tax that prevents whitescroll trading from avoiding the normal flat tax.

    Meso sink good. Ws stock bad.
     
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    Could possibly bring this time down to 3-4 hours via an octomage strategy. But I'll have to leave that to future sweatlords as my setup simply can't handle it.
     
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    What if each white scroll on a account gave a permanent cumulative 1% tax increase per minuite.

    People could not get rid of them fast enough.

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    I made a thread about this idea here.

    https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/npc-that-sells-ws-cs.40260/
     
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    Let's do a funny and pull a MapleStory, make Clean Slate scrolls not boom anymore so WS become literally useless (Getting Clean scrolls in Maple is also easy as hell)
     
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    I think there is no need to apologize to anyone out there. We are all here for one reason, to make MapleLegends better than before.

    World peace.
     
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    Or to meme on how things go on in the game e,e
     
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    One-of-a-Kind-WS with a lvl 50 requirement to hold a WS. The level 50 requirement will act as a deterrent for those who want to make 123102381 WS storage mules.
    Sorry new players, save your gachapons until you've reached level 50.
     
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    You're onto something.. Let's think... ... ... Clean Slate scrolls adjusted to not take up a slot on an item 50% of the time or something? What we really need.. if we want to throw a monkey wrench into everything is releasing the pink 50% event scrolls from GMS :) OR if we want a fun solution we've already seeeeen.... give us another Summer Of Chaos event :eyes:

    im notoriously bad at expressing myself on forums i so feel this guy you quoted and your response <3

    quick edit: I had a question for this thread before quoting people and being sort of off topic and that is... Is this WS issue only impacting end game players? Do lucky noobs gaching these things and getting #paid face any consequences or mid level 80-180 people playing a huge chunk of the game not aiming for perfection? From what I can tell, a lot of useful scrolls especially weapon scrolls and other stuff has deflated heavily or stabilized greatly. I'm just curious about the wider impacts and ramifications of the ws issue because I feel like in general I'm unaware and I'm interested in being informed.
     
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    Current ws / cs prices should be really good for new players. If they hit 1 they can pretty much afford all of their early to mid game gear for their character or leech straight to 120+. It will only start to bite them towards the end of late game, where higher ws / cs prices mean higher equipment prices. It also significantly screws them over towards end game, as the end game grind at this point is over 1.5 times as hard as it use to be 1 year ago.
     
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    Fuck that, you know miracle scrolls from EMS? they are literally 10% but with a 100% pass rate. Let's do this!
    Now seriously making progress more tied to non-player interactions seems to work a bit better like in GMS altho yeah I know it still the system is full of bullshit due to the shitty RNG that Neckson applies to the games but that's how the game is, you get better not by playing the game but by being insanely lucky (unless you add the harder bosses from post bb) but I digress
     
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    So basically the currently proposed coin system but also with a meso cost?
     
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    iirc doesn't the proposed coin system already includes meso cost when u buy them from NPC?
    imo the bigger need is to tax those coins when trading, not just when buying from npc
     
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    Not really. The proposed coin system relies on player-to-player trade since coins drop from bosses and are split between runners. There is a small meso sink involved (5m) for each WS/CS purchased. It's a three-pronged strategy: (1) improving bossing income via coin splits (2) create more availability of ws/cs (3) have a small meso sink. I think others have said there would be an incentive to hoard coins since they gate WS/CS.

    What I had suggested was full-out purchasing ws/cs through an npc with meso - no other currency needed. It would be a heavy meso sink and wouldn't touch bossing income at all. It could be locked behind a repeatable questline or something if ppl think its not time-gated enough idk. At least here there would be 0 reason to hoard any currency/WS/CS other than meso since the latter would have the most value. But does it make the game too easy? That's up for discussion.

    Unfortunately with this suggestion you would either need a way to buff bossing income or somehow gate access to ws/cs to mages since they can farm meso the fastest.
     
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    Making gacha being purchasable with meso (500k common x1) (1m rare x1)- This would create a natural meso sink and still have the aspect of RNG fun :D- chance to get ws and cs
     
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