Forum disagree reply functionality

This seems like a fairly straightforward stance on forum ratings. Would it not be viable to remove forum ratings (except for maybe "like", cuz those have rankings already included in the forum)? Or do you believe the ratings keep replies manageable (because people might be less inclined to reply when they can already rate?)

 

The temptation to react with disagree to this is very very high, but I'll be good.

(I don't disagree, for the record)

 

good to know tbh

 

Now the question is has there ever been a suggestion accepted that was disagreed into oblivion.

 

im a weaker man than you

 

Counterpoint: The statement is nonsensical for any warrior or bucc in the mid to late game and beyond. If you have a desperate need for accuracy as a warrior you've probably scuffed the rest of your gear as I've found I can shave significant portions of it off without coming across any problems, and that's with minimal investment into accuracy. Something would have to go terribly wrong for a warrior to forgo 4+ levels of str for a dex overall.

Dex overall on bucc is also a poor choice given the numerous dex stacking options. Let's say you get 35 on a hat, 10 from shoes, 15 from rings, 7 from MoN, 10 from earring, 8 from face accessory, and 5 from eyes. After 20 base this puts you at 110 dex without wearing a dex overall, so the only reasonable option for a late game bucc is to wear a strength overall.

There's also this statement that almost sounds like a bowman should wear a strength overall, or that it might be better in some way. It's not, but I'm too lazy to find the Selquin copypasta to explain why.

 

Accepted - no pet loot in darksight | MapleLegends Forums - Old School MapleStory

 

The post makes it look like I was the initial disagree on that post, but I wasnt (dont worry, I went back and fixed that). Back at the topic at hand, both posts *were* extremely nonsensical. Warriors, outside of maybe ST/1h NT build, gets significantly more from STR overall than DEX overall. Additionally, the only time bucc really makes use of a dex overall is when starting out, before getting a dex helm/face/etc. Plus pirate top/bottom doesnt even exist, so there's that...

A disagree does just what it says on the label; expresses disagreement. It carries less weight than a text response, but a response could turn into much more of a committment to keep replying like a "debate" than simply pushing the red button. It's sometimes not worth the trouble.

 

And you have proven mine. It is simply not worth the time commitment dealing with you. In terms of average range, it takes 3.8 DEX to equal 1 STR (admittedly this value should be lower for classes with a lower main stat multiplier and lower mastery, but not significantly so). On average range, 30 DEX provides the exact same benefit as ~8 STR (rounded up to give you the benefit here). Now, with your mInMaX logic, we should just drop both the 30 STR and DEX altogether as it's a small boost, maybe even scroll a dex glove as well because its cheaper. But let's keep SOME sense of rationality here and center our discussion around other players who actually want characters that wont be laughed out of the server. Why would a bucc (since that's who the above number is for) STILL use oa dex 30 as opposed to oa STR 60? Passing an oa dex 30 gives 5 dex, or 1.3 str equivalent. Oa str 60 gives 2 str (or 2 str equivalent), and has both a better success rate and cost, to boot. Now, oa str 60 isnt your typical minmaxer scroll as you wont make anything valuable without 30s, but its SIGNIFICANTLY better than oa dex 30.

No, the purpose of this thread is that your feelings got hurt when somebody (quite literally a single person at the time of first post) gave you a disagree react, without giving a chance to double down on absurdity.

 

If you want to be agreed heavily from all players and hope to avoid being disagreed, I think what you need to do is, polishing your suggestion moreover so your suggestion have enough power to convince everybody.

About being logical - it's big mistake to think himself logical because he spreaded tons of numbers and made a thread 'looks' classy. Even though he did perfect math and all the data supports his suggestion, it doesn't mean his suggestion should be agreed by everyone else. Also, I feel it's big arrogance to demand others time aswell to explain all they think if they disagree on suggester's opinion.

In short, we need to accept that every suggestion can be disagreed by any reasons. If you can't get it at all, rather than asking 'systemic blocking' others disagreements, I think we need to choose one of twos - try to convince them with more powerful convincing, or just mute ourselves.

EQ matters. IQ isn't everything.


Added :

As who played this server quite a long, reason why i'm disagree on this is, not because your logic and numbers are wrong, but because i feel 'not enough strong need' for applying this. And making such dull guys like myself into fans of your suggetion, that's what we call 'convincing suggestion' which you need to try to make.

++ Even if whole community is fan of certain suggestion, kimmy wouldn't care af and she'll decide what to accept and what not to, by her own rules anw just as she claimed lol. Quester's ring when?

 

I agree that people should explain why they disagree with "certain" posts/statements, however if they refuse to give an explanation, it just means that you have to think for yourself on "why" people disagree with you.

To be honest here, your personal opinion does not matter if it doesn't benefit the community in general. I can personally suggest something like "Make Paladin's dispel Weapon/Magic Cancels at bosses" but at the end of the day it's up to the community/staff to decide on that matter.

If the Disagree functionality were removed, everyone would be agreeing with false information/statements that would not help us grow/progress in the game. It's like someone suggesting to remove Avoidability gain from Luk that removes the purpose of being a Thief and without the Disagree functionality, they are forced to agree with it like slaves. Hopefully you understand this.

 

I believe this thread is biased. The reasoning for the suggestion can be used for "agree" reaction too, but why is it not proposed to remove it?

The reasoning is also flawed. Nobody should be pressed to explain why they agree or disagree or whatever. As much as you'd like people to talk, people can say "yes" or "no" and leave it at that and their opinion is as valid as yours. This is NOT an abuse as you suggest, it's a simplified way of communicating. Sure, I agree that it would be better for the discussion if they could explain their stance, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to remove the reaction. The reactions serve a purpose: it's a great tool to gauge the public interest and prevent duplicate postings. Furthermore, I personally find it useful when I just don't want to hold a conversation with someone argumentative or when I don't have time to write out a long message.

Correctness of your logic also does not matter. You could say 100% correct things, and I can still disagree with you if I don't like the suggestion. Consider this sentence: "I exercised today, and I am hungry, I want McDonald's so I should get some." It contains both truth and logic, but I can still say no and that is not wrong of me. No McDonald's for me, period.

Instead of removing disagree, I think it's better if you and others come to the forums, especially Suggestions, with the open mindset and prepare to accept disagreements. Suggestions are almost always subjective and you will likely meet some opposition. There is no need to find a disagree passive aggressive. All you need to do is understand that your suggestion is not perfect and move on. Bonus points if you can find flaws in your logic by yourself (which you should do before posting anyways).

 

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/long-farewell-post-very-sad-warning.41964/

The link above isn't a suggestion thread and I have no idea what happened there, but reactions do show for itself.

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/bring-back-funny-reaction.41260/

Another thing to note is, why was funny reaction removed? Asking for a friend.