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Boss freeze abuse tweaks

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Karn, Oct 14, 2021.

  1. Karn
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    I think this is a very problematic rule in it's current state.

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    Although agreeing that people have to be punished, the way it does currently seems very extreme and can be vary unfair, consider the situation (TLDR at the end):

    (Considering that he didn't read ML Terms & Conditions, you can put any possible boss freeze abuse that's not listed there instead)

    A regular guy, had joined parties to challenge Horntail a couple of times, not enough to be used to the many animations and behaviours. Gets 1st offense ban because the arm wasn't attacking and nobody reported.

    Ok, even though he probably didn't knew it, the staff don't have how to know. He will be aware about the possibility of it happening in Horntail and if he's sane he won't do it again.

    Continuing his journey, he eventually gets to Nibergen, and he decides to try and solo it! He notices that standing at the clouds he will be taking constant damage but it's better than getting knockbacked all the time! And get account banned.

    TLDR: People can get account banned by technically breaking the same rule twice, but with that rule specifically there are many situations that most people won't even notice they're breaking any rules, just because it's a new content for them and most people won't get into details of every boss battle.

    So I would suggest to be more careful before going to account banning. MapleStory private servers are very buggy in general and very often with many behaviours that not even staff expect. Sometimes it is kinda obvious like the Nibergen issue (that I'm glad that got fixed) but there are many more complex situations that may happen, for example during Pink Bean that many people may be unaware of because of the lack of knowledge, experience and even visual.

    Maybe 7 days 1st offense / 15 days 2nd offense / 30 days 3rd offense and forward would be punitive enough considering that people won't benefit much of a single boss freeze.
     

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  2. Nightz
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    Here is some extra information regarding Boss Freeze Abuse:

    2.11 Boss Freeze Abuse
    Elements Required for a Boss Freeze Abuse Ban
    1. Needs to affect a boss OR a mob inside a boss map (expedition maps or area boss maps)
      • While the referred to as "boss freeze", the violation is not limited to the boss itself
    2. The monster (a boss or a mob as required in #1) must satisfy one of the following:
      • Stop casting ALL spells entirely (eg. map-wide magic attacks, summoning mobs) for a prolonged period of time;
        • Touch damage is not a spell, and therefore even if you are receiving touch damage, the monster will still be considered "frozen"
      • Cast targeted attacks (eg. seduce) or aggro (seeking or moving towards) onto an untargettable player (eg. via deaths) for a prolonged period of time; or
      • No longer move or do so in an abnormal manner for a prolonged period of time
    3. As well as one of the following:
      • Intentional behavior to cause/trigger the freeze;
      • Unintentionally causing the freeze, but not reporting it to the GM;
      • Being part of a party/expedition that triggers the freeze, knowing of the abuse, and without vocalizing disagreement; or
      • Being part of a party/expedition that triggers the freeze, knowing of the abuse, without reporting it to the GM

    Precedents:
    • Causing Alishar to just walk around and not cast spells entirely = IS abuse
    • Causing Ravana to not cast spells entirely = IS abuse
      • If Ravana continues to cast magic cancels and spawn summons = IS NOT abuse
    • Elderwraiths in Big Foot maps aggroed onto a dead player = IS abuse
    • Elderwratihs in Big Foot maps aggroed onto a player in dark sight (but still alive) = IS NOT abuse
    • Anego not moving or using any spells = IS boss freeze abuse
    • Mobs in the anego map not moving = IS boss freeze abuse
    • Anego not using one of its attacks = IS NOT boss freeze abuse
    • Nibergen not casting any spells for more than a couple of minutes = IS boss freeze abuse
      • The rule of thumb seems to be "is Nibergen casting weapon cancels?"
    • Vergamot not casting any spells = IS boss freeze abuse

    Precedents: Horntail
    • Holding Horntail's seduce aggro with a dead character throughout a significant portion of the run = IS boss freeze abuse
      • Reason: Horntail is being forced (unnaturally) to cast its targeted attack onto an untargetable character (and not attack)
    • Holding Wyvern aggro with a dead character throughout a significant portion of the run = IS boss freeze abuse
      • Reason: Wyverns are being forced to move to and try to damage a character that is untargetable

    Defining 'Significance'
    • What is considered a significant portion of the run? This will be handled on a case-by-case basis:
      • Not ressing until the full 10 minute timer = IS NOT significant and NOT boss freeze abuse
        • If done multiple times in the same run, with the dead player being someone with some type of aggro (eg. seduce or wyverns) = IS boss freeze abuse
      • Ressing multiple times to continue the freeze = IS boss freeze abuse
      • Intentionally having a dead character hold aggro when there is no chance res (as in will NEVER be able to be ressed during the run) all for the sake of preventing a certain spell being cast (eg. seduce) = IS boss freeze abuse
      • Remember, that all the elements earlier on NEED to be satisfied
    Precedents: How to Properly Handle Freezes
    • If players send a @GM when the freeze is first noticed = IS NOT boss freeze abuse
      • As long as you send a @GM, regardless or not a GM is available to come and help fix the issue, it will NOT BE boss freeze abuse
    • If players send a @GM after benefiting from the freeze = IS boss freeze abuse
    Note: These are not exhaustive lists, they are just a few notable examples.

    Note 2: Depending on the severity of the violation, it may be escalated to Major Abuse, which has harsher punishments.


    Reason: Boss freeze is a specific type of bug/glitch that has to do with the aggro of bosses and mobs. Engaging in it is much like bug/glitch abuse, and is not condoned by MapleLegends.

    We understand that often times it may not be intentional and some new players might not know of these bugs. As such, the staff CAN exercise discretion and lower the punishment. However, these are for exceptional circumstances only.

    Also on the note of Nibergen I'm quite positive you are allowed to stand in the clouds every since changes have been made and it keeps attacking and castign spells like normally.

    Edit: Sorry see you mentioned Nib stuff is fixed
     
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    Even with the whole description. For example I killed 2 anegos and I DON'T KNOW WHAT SPELLS IT USES. It's not clear on description, ans even if it was clear, it's not cool to have to study all rules and play a game thinking it can glitch and you can potentially get permanent bans. Isn't a 15 days ban for 3rd offense and forward harsh enough? Personally I wouldn't ever risk 15 days playing for like what? 50m splits and few millions exp (if you have luck)?
     
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    Imo, bug abuse should be allowed (to a certain extent) and onus should be on staff to address and eventually fix them. A definitive list should be made for the more exploitable forms of abuse and can be tagged as not allowed/bannable or work in progress/featured.

    In return, a bug bounty should be set so that the community can help uncover some broken aspects of this game without the fear of getting banned due to some ambiguous/gray area policy.

    It's becoming pretty apparent that staff are overworked and understaffed. I think it's about time the systems for policing are reformed to lean more on the community itself.
     
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    Karn 4 president!!
     
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    #JusticeForRightBird

    To say Bird abuse is any different than Nib abuse is laughable.
     
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    And if I remember correctly, if you get aggro with ultimate spells on nameless on upper platform, you won't be claw'ed and it isn't considered aggro abuse because nameless will still confuse you. That also makes no sense for me.
     
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    It can still cast claw tho. If we think by this perspective, puppet would also be aggro abuse. Leave nameless free
     

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