Make Ciders stack more in use inv

5 per slot is fine not?

 

it USED to be 5 per slot, it was changed sometime last year.

 

Czp gang

 

Why it was kept at 3 ciders per slot

https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...s-event-2021-balance-changes-explained.38080/

 

Having 5 was considered a bit too OP, and had to be kept at 3 so that Heroes still have Rage useful.

 

i think meso gears ring need this change,or make it tradeable
@gm

 

i think vanilla ms even had ciders in stacks of 1 back in the early days, so maybe you could consider it buffed already since it's now in 3 even if it was lowered from 5.

 

having said that, is the rationale intended for the change valid in the current meta?

 

If we're gonna be real though, does anyone still genuinely think ciders stacking to 3 keeps heroes even slightly relevant? I haven't had to use a coke pill in ages.

I'm not necessarily advocating for the change to ciders to be reverted but the justification for keeping them at 3 per stack, that ciders stacking to 5 "was too strong" or made heroes moot, is silly considering that just about every character, save for perhaps an unwashed archer or sair, can still bring enough ciders for two HT runs if they really try (no, you don't need to keep those random scrolls permanently stashed in your inventory). My archer was able to bring in enough pots, acps, arrows and ciders for two HT runs without HB back when it had ~9.6k hp and had not yet even purchased any use inventory expansions.

The only players for whom ciders stacking to 3 really impacts are those who cave (who end up just asking others to bring some in for them) and archer/sair players who aren't washed. For the rest, it merely poses a minor nuisance by way of forcing people to restock on ciders more frequently and for some, ridding them of the luxury of being able to keep an assortment of junk on hand. Ultimately, the change acts as a regressive tax of sorts in that it affects those who have washed the least the most.

To really follow through on the idea of ciders being too strong, and not that I'm necessarily advocating for it, staff would have to either reduce cider stacks even further to 1 or 2 (and even then this would only affect HT and long grinding sessions, not that 5 att is really going to have a noticeable impact on eph) or reduce the attack gain on ciders to something like 18.

 

cant agree more

 

Make ciders 1 stack. Make Energizers drop more frequently as NT drop.

 

Nerf cider to 18 attack and make it 1 per slot.

 

Laughs in energy charge

 

Memes aside, I always found it funny that +20 attack pots were always considered a given, especially when taking into account theoretical balance calculations (which is a meme in itself). +20 attack is the equivalent of ~+20 levels of stats. When I played GMS in version 0.62, we only had warrior elixirs that gave +12 atk.

 

I do agree ciders are OP but I can’t really advocate nerfing them in terms of att when I’ve been carried by them so hard when leveling up my int sair without leech. I’d rather heroes get buffed in some other way instead.

They definitely should be at least a 2 stack though, It’s way too easy atm to just bring 50+ with you wherever you go

 

Heroes and useful don't belong in the same sentence

 

well if u wanna nerf ciders, could maybe:
- change to untradeable (less cavers) and/or
- 100,000 meso per cider for example (meso sink and more consideration to use cider for runs or not, possibly bringing in some relevance of rage/hero)