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How to make PB harder without ruining class balance

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Selquin, Dec 23, 2021.

  1. Selquin
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    Selquin Headless Horseman

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    Disable Resurrection.

    Everything is exactly the same, but now deaths are much much more punishing. It rewards skillful play and the higher stakes make runs much more entertaining (especially for our poor NL players falling asleep holding TT).

    But wait you say, if we do that wouldn't that make bishops useles?

    Not to worry! Because
    they already are
     
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    Vibin Brown Teddy

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    This should make boss splits more profitable but that’d also mean no more afk helm/htp services if applied to other bosses.
     
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    Feeed Mr. Anchor

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    Unironically I'd rather just have it so that TL doesn't affect Res. Need more resses? Cool, it'll cost you attacker slots.

    AFK Zak would still be viable (price likely goes up but that's a good thing), Horntail would no longer be completely free (AFK HTP wouldn't work but that shouldn't even be a thing), and Res would still otherwise be good
     
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    Bfitchef Mushmom

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    don’t fully disable, do (2) Ressurections per character and change DR to 15k bye bye to the minimally washed classes barely making it
     
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    Huiae Headless Horseman

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    Personal opinion about this which is much more moderate and I hope this happens, even though i doubt it.

    40 min cd for max lvl TL. (Double cd for every levels)

    Does not harm buccs 'perma echo', makes much harder to abuse ress-TL combo.

    Side effect : will be harder to form afk business in bossing, especially for HT, still doable if skilled enough.
     
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    Selquin Headless Horseman

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    To add onto these more moderate suggestions, buccs are now a good enough class such that even if you make ress not affected by TL, they would remain one of the top classes in ML.
     
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    fartsy Zakum

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    perma echo is kinda op especially when combined with apple/mw30 - even more so when there's a fm echo every <10min
     
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    Why is Pink Bean, the supposed end game/hardest boss, the most forgiving in terms of deaths? Dying 3+ times a run is not punishing at all in PB and is even the norm for some players!
    It is rather unlikely to make it to the end of any other bossing content in the game with this many deaths.

    The essentially unlimited ress also allows players to play lazy and not care if they die. Some change to further punish deaths and reward competent gameplay would incentivize people to get better.

    Disabling ress and re-enabling the ability to buy 1 or 2 wheels could be a decent middle ground. Each player would have limited ress’ and would be monetarily incentivized to not die.
     
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    shck Timer Retired Staff

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    I like the idea.
    -Disable Resurection, but bring back Wheel of Destiny at max usage of 1per character per PB run on a very high cost
    • TL can still be enabled for more transformation uptime aka DPM(since DPM buccs in PB exist for some reason??)
    -Disallow right bird aggro abuse so that Holy Shield is essential in PB runs, that way Bishops won't be useless

    -Hyper Body breaks HP cap by 10% so max HP is now 33K(only with HB), but increase PB DR to 30k damage. Bring your DK friends or play skillfully.
     
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    resurrection + TL is broken but rather than having resurrection disabled I'd prefer a deadlier pink bean + some powercreep nerfs, because what we have right now is boring and nothing more than a punchbag. Suggested changes:
    • first and foremost make PB work properly, it bugs every run
    • DR 1-HIT-KO (preferable) or at least 30K or it's original DR range
    • Make Ariel and Right Man dispel from 100% HP and make left and right walls vulnerable to dispels and seduces
    • Make some of the PB skills map wide
    • Buff PB skill set so it can use some of its 'facing left skills' while facing right, seduce is a good one + give the musical notes a gorillion accuracy
    There's also some ideas like reducing the timer to it's original 1 hour and also nerfing apples WATT, which are one of the biggest class balance offenders in the game. My problem with disabling res is not 'oh no bishops' but the case that it can make the better changes less of an option
     
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    this looking like a lobby fest lol
     
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    PB is such a joke we've started murdering each other with bean rushes for giggles. Nobody is even mad at it because there's so much res that dying doesn't even matter so we might as well use the Beanball to delete our friends and take screenshots.

    Toughest boss in the game btw
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Best way to make Bean harder is to buff Horntail and make that the final boss.
     
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    Did someone say 50% damage reduction in HT ?
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Make snipe affected by damage reduction as well?
     
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