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Sorting Owl results from lowest to highest

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Porkupine, Jan 4, 2022.

  1. Porkupine
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    Hello I come to you today with a QoL suggestion for merchants and buyers in the Free Market.

    What if the Owl of Minerva results were displayed from lowest to highest?

    Crazy idea, I know, but I think it would benefit everyone. There is no reason anyone should need to dig through 20 pages of Red Cravens/Onyx Apples/Helm DEX 60%'s. The lowest prices are the only thing both sellers and buyers are concerned about. Thus, they should be clearly displayed in the first results of the first page.

    Pros: Saves time for you and I
    Cons: Easier to undercut? But it's not like it doesn't already happen frequently

    What do you think?
     
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    In a later version, they introduced a checkbox to sort by price, so this is a thing official Neckson already supported. A checkbox is probably more annoying to add because of client edits, but not sure how right now the results gets told to the user.
     
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    Interesting, even without a checkbox and just sorting by price by default would be amazing so there wouldn't be a need to scroll back and forth through 10-20 pages for common items. Right now it just seems completely randomized. Maybe it's sorting by recency instead? Unclear.
     
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    Yeah, I don't think a checkbox is necessary. There's no reason any user would prefer complete randomness over sorted results. An investigation into how the results are currently sorted may help in figuring out how to sort by price.
     
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    Totally agree with this suggestion! it is rather annoying trying to go through every page and keep track of what is cheapest.
     
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    I’m pretty sure how owl results show currently is by channel, which is still useful when you don’t know where exactly a shop is located (pls label your shop location ppl). Saves me a few extra owls when looking for difficult to find items.

    Though a solution that could resolve both issues is to also make owls capable of ccing you as well as teleporting you to the shop
     
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    While using an owl, if you hover over the 'Can't Go' portion of the item listing that is on a different channel, it tells you what channel and FM room the item is being sold in.
     
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    Owl by price would be such a nice standard rather than having to tick a box
     
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    While I'm favour of this suggestion, but to give a perspective to the other side:
    A randomly sorted owl will put the sellers into a slight advantage as it will provide exposures to sellers that are not selling at the lowest price.
    As some buyers will not want to go through the hassle of searching through all the pages of results before making their purchases, they will simply buy the cheaper ones in the first few pages which may not be the cheapest available.
    Besides, if someone mis-priced something, where is the fun of finding that in the multiple pages of results when it's gonna appear straight in the first page?
     
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    One thing I'd add is that when searching for items with varying stats (ie. almost any equip) you don't necessarily want to see the cheapest, because those are probably ones with garbage stats. Ability to sort from high to low would also be nice, but I don't see a way to do that without adding a check box (or something similar). If adding a control to the owl window does turn out to be something that would be feasible, I'd want to push for a few different search options rather than just "sort low to high, yes or no"
     
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    Are there people that owl and not buy the lowest price? FoxF6

    If I’m owling the only time I wouldn’t buy the lowest price is if I’m looking for multiples and willing to pay a premium to buy from a single guy with a stack.
     
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    I appreciate the alternative perspective. I think there are a few reasons why the view can be flawed though.

    Ultimately, this proposed change is targeted at helping buyers make the best decision, while helping sellers price accurately. Randomly sorted Owl results would only help the sales of non-Owling sellers. Overall, it doesn't give sellers in general any advantage, as the buyer had most likely already decided to make a purchase (especially if they were too lazy to scan for the cheapest one). If anything, randomly sorted Owl results might detract buyers from making a purchase after seeing numerous mispriced results on the first page. A sorted system could lead to better pricing and tighter price ranges. Most observably, it immediately conveys to the buyer the best price they can currently expect, leading to more sales overall.

    I do agree though that hidden mispriced gems would be immediately swooped up more instantly. It will be far rarer to find items missing a 0.
     
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    The best solution that I've used is to take a video or pictures with my phone off of my Owl Mule account. (most people do this too, not sure why people dont use this method)

    Then I use my main account to CC and go to each shop using the picture of shop name + Channel + Room, to buy what I need.

    This saves LOTS of Vote Cash.


    A Sort-by-Cheapest would be nice to have though...
    • Although sort by Equip Stats/Successfully Scrolled would be better (since cheapest/expensive doesnt mean best for price)
     
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    I'm sure most people simply leave the owl results open until they bought all the items they wanted on an another account. No need for any other hassle
     
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    True lol

    I like to make extra sure, in case I accidentally close the owl, or if i want to go back check stuff out later.
     
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    A sort-by-stat would be nice, but the system would have to be sophisticated enough to know what stats it can sort by.
    A price-sorted system should be much easier to implement comparatively.

    While it's not perfect, a price-sorted system can still group together similarly stat items, since they'll be in a certain price range.

    For example:
    Sad Mask ranges from 9 - 11 accuracy.
    9 acc masks may be 3-4m
    10 acc masks may be 5-6m
    11 acc masks may be 8-10m
     
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