Has the hoarding issue been resolved?

Don't think so.

The intention of punishing hoarding was to allow more supply in FM. Certainly there is more supply via coin generation but coins are hoard-able too. If any meaningful increase of supply happened, it would've reflected in the price but as it stands now, ws prices are virtually unchanged.

The good thing is: early to mid-game bossing is more profitable thanks to coin drops.

 

Prices are essentially back to what they were pre patch and honestly hasn't changed much in the fact that all it really takes is for 1-3 people to decide they want to go on a scrolling spree to start hard affecting the demand for coins/scrolls. It is super nice that the coins are being generated at some bosses for sure tho but I feel in the long run, all it might do is somewhat counteract the fact the population is a bit smaller than the past to make up for the gach generation difference. People are definitely all up in nath tho and theres been more HT clearing notifications so the bossing content is somewhat there, still afraid of what might happen after event ends tho.

 

I think it's important to keep in mind this change was never about making cs/ws cheaper but to have an alternative way to obtain them besides gach pulls.

 

Understandable but price is just reflecting the available supply in market, which just feels similarly to pre-patch change. Makes it the same as before but with the bonus of you have the option to grind bosses to make your own which only goes so far, whether or not people are hoarding the feeling hasn't changed which sucks. Just more curious to see what happens after the event raffles/gach goes through and probably better to revisit the question then.

 

I voted that hoarding is resolved even though people continue to hoard because despite high coin prices, they are reasonably farmable. The drop rates on pouches look very fair from my initial testing and you can actually earn your own WS/CS through consistent bossing.

Sure if we look at the end game, the difficulty of the grind is still the same, but you now have the option to get there bossing on an attacker instead of having mage farming be the only viable option.

 

hoarding is imo not solved but
actual CS/WS users are not 100% under their mercy anymore

 

3M coin when

 

make it 3m. ok lets make it 3m tgt. LF apples to 3m as well. APQ getting disproportionate to amount of time used.

 

On that note is it better to buy pouch 5s or just buy coins outright? Has anyone crunched the numbers for that?

 

well. it really depends. all i see is coin prices rise, then ppl buy pouch to gamble/profit, then so on and so forth. its a cyclical thing and things seem to be inflating faster than pre-patch but at least now everyone has a fair shot at amassing coins thru bossing or mages whatever their choice.

 

I think you have to wait until the end of event to see a more accurate reflection of the coins.
Now most people are still camping at hhg for their points and especially the unlimited APR this event.

 

I won't speak too much on the hoarding front, just personally speaking I'm holding onto the coins I've made thus far from bossing, not really for speculative purposes, just out of pure laziness to set up shop. Whereas in the past, if I somehow got hold of a WS/CS I probably would have used it/sold it for cash, but I doubt the fractions of a WS I'm holding really matter.

On the grindy-ness of creating end game gear, I honestly think the game could use alternative paths to creating end game gear, since the bottleneck seems to be # of WS/coins available in the market, and even with the introduction of coins, it would take an eternity of bossing to gather the ~7k coins for whatever item you're working on.

One thought I had as a WS alternative is the introduction of Pure CSS as boss drops(maybe 1/3/5/10%, 20% might be too broken). At the very least it would serve as a check on WS/coin prices since people could pivot from 10% + WS to raw 10% + 100/33/20/10 Pure CSSs if coin prices got too high. It would also open up some more interesting decision making. Maybe you hit 4/5 or 5/6 30% scrolls, now you have the option of throwing a few Pure CSSs on it to salvage the slot where in the past that weapon would not have been worth WSing and your only options were keep 30ing or just 60/70% to finish.

Sure making it easier to perfect gear would cause some powercreep, but at the end of the day this is a PvE mushroom game and I would choose an environment where everyone is doing big pp damage and the main differentiator of DPM is player skill rather than gear/funding over one where the late game player base has been demotivated by the high barrier of end game to the point where many are logging in less and less.

 

with all these, multi mage strategies will die off since mesos aren't worth much due to inflation. The next strat then is multi pc bossing where u paper weight attack with ur NLs, Archers (sadly u gotta control ur bishop to dispel) and solo zak for that potentially 40coins a day (present-moment value of 82m a day).

Having an additional PC pay2win?

 

I personally believe the pure clean slate scroll to be an incredibly broken mechanic because it lets you regain a slot on an item with no risk. At least with CSS 20% you risk blowing up your item.

For these scrolls to be balanced properly they would need to be several times more expensive than white scrolls because they are straight up superior. You lose your white scroll whether your scroll passes or fails, but you only need to use your pure clean slate scrolls if your scroll fails.

And if they are several times more expensive than white scrolls, the complaint about the end game grind being too difficult would remain unresolved.

 

Pure slates are incredibly broken for v62. Down the line the only think I think would fit implementing would be innocence scrolls (w/ boom %) but I'm still reluctant on that too.

These newer scrolls have been rolled out to GMS with newly introduced item upgrade systems that slowly made regular scrolling irrelevant. As long as we still only use traditional scrolls (and as of recent, time/rev leveling) I don't think these items would belong on legends.

 

Maybe I'm thinking about it too naively, so correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I think about it, if the EV for passing 1 slot on an item is 10 10% scrolls + 10 WS, the equivalent for say a 5% Pure CSS would be 10 10% scrolls + 180 Pure CSSs (since you only have to use it on failed slots, you only have to "reclaim" 9 slots). In that case wouldn't the price of Pure CSS still be relatively lower than WS? Maybe not all the way down to 1/18th of the cost in this example since a premium would be added on for the other use cases mentioned above like imperfect weapons or attack capes/shoes with failed slots.