WIPE? NEW SERVER? UPDATE FIX?

There is literally nothing stopping you from playing a certain way and achieving the same means of production. You simply don't want to.

 

You didnt understand a word of what i wrote ^^

 

I understand perfectly fine. :^)

 

He's trying to seize the means of production because he's got nothing to lose but his chains.

 

you are the one stucked in the same stage for 7 years. not maplelegends.

 

I have literally addressed every single one of your concerns in both my previous replies. The fact you didn't even bother to hear another opinion shows your own incompetence.

Of course I do not wanna lose my assets, why? well if you actually read my replies you'd know, if you still don't, well go back to grade school and learn basic comprehension.

Furthermore, you definitely did not read the message(s) I was quoting. Hence not knowing the context of my replies. This is evidence enough that you aren't coming into this discussion with good faith.

 

Humorous!

 

You’re only seeing my responses in a vacuum when I am facetiously responding to dumb suggestions. If you read my other posts you’d know I’m in favor of inclusion, but making something that’s already easily accomplished even easier will only serve as a detriment to this servers health. Go read my other posts.

 

Nothing to do with sub-optimal values.
Rather it's the opposite - u are speeding up 30k NLs and BMs with this suggestion.

The HP washing problem is not complex, but because u have to tackle two problem at once AND not invalidate the effort of others, it becomes very difficult to solve.

In order for ANY hp washing solution to pass, especially when large amount of HP (above 2-3k) is concerned, it must fulfill the following criterias:

1. Must not invalidate light washers' effort. Effort to obtain this HP will take equal or more compared to NX washing.

2. Must provide enough HP after HB.

3. Must not accelerate the washinf process of hyper washers - aka range with above 15-18k HP.

HP quest does not fulfil the 3rd requirement. At least not in the way u propose.

 

1st point is very complicated. You cannot just account for washing APRs. but also account for the hard times players go through to either 1) make a bishop and self-leech or 2) grind with 140-200 int with no leech.

3) Base HP is not enough. I can have 2k HP and 8k MP, and take advantage of this system to accelerate my 30k HP

 

Same here. I always say that Skuire's HP Potion idea will be a perfect band-aid if it takes account Max MP, since it will satisfy all 3 requirements. But felt its not enough information to create a new thread kekw

 

I've been on the server since day one, I wouldn't mind a wipe. But with what you are saying as a reason to wipe the server.. you clearly are just saying that every few years there should be a wipe so the new players have a fair chance?
If I am getting this wrong, please explain.
But wiping the server just so new players can be closer financially to old players is just absurd.
That's like saying let the guy at x job who has been there 20 years just give up his pay so the new guy can feel better about the money he makes.
This is not how real life works.
There are many successful games out there that have never wiped- unless something was deeply systematically wrong with the game. There are many flaws in this game, but you can't simply wipe a game just to give newer players a chance to be as good as the old players. It took them time to get where they were.
Once again, I'm a player whose been here since like day 1, and an not opposed to a wipe if it indeed fix all the issues that are wrong with legends.

The washing in the server and in MapleStory in general is trash and should be completely removed. But that's much easier said than done.
Wiping every 3 years? Lol come on now. Offer a real solution. That doesn't even deserve a response.
They need to come up with better ways so little don't have to wait two/three years to wash a character. Quest ring, boss quest that gives a certain amount of HP when cleared in a certain time limit capped at a certain HP gain forcing more than the minimal amount of party and uses of apples to stimulate economy more.
Something has to be done.
If there is ever a wipe, I would love to see a solution to washing and all of the other current problems of maple first. Otherwise, you wipe and we are back to the same place we once we're a couple/few years down the road. Doesn't solve anything.

 

Ranged having more survivability than warriors is strictly not true, given that warriors have achilles and generally more weapon defense as well.

 

Survivability beyond having enough hp to tank a hit really only comes into play when analyzing potion costs or dealing with situations like sed + 1/1 + attack. At equal hp, sure warrior reduces damage and thus healing costs by 15%, even archer can get a dodge rate higher than 15%, reducing overall damage and thus costs by much more than 15%. Unsure of contemporary sair numbers, but minimal avoid building should put dodge rate high enough to keep up there. Not to mention dodging an attack outright is miles better than stancing a hit due to stance having no protection from nasty rider effects such as stun/sed/dp.

At the very least Achilles gives a relative 1/1 immunity, but it won't take a very hard followup hit to guarantee death if hit while sedded. In those situations only a miss/shifter proc, being a sedower, or having a healbot can truly save you. Arguably those situations are few in actual practice and warrior feels better to sed in ht than ranged (or maybe ranged uptime is just more important than warrior uptime?). The leg-up a warrior would have over an equal hp ranged is consistency in tanking ability over a prolonged sed period with guaranteed achilles... just as long as the total damage remains in the thin 15% threshold where a non-dodging range would die while a warrior would survive. Outside of that, dodging is simply better. And both are vastly outclassed by sedower's defensive kit.

Stance and Achilles are nice tools, but imo need to be paired with a higher hp pool to provide a tangible benefit. Over a long-term fight, the ranged chars are going to take less damage than warriors due to avoid and distance from the fight. Barring luxuries like high washed melee hurricane, ranged chars rarely have to stand next to the giant beatsticks of touch dmg in any content (as "ranged" implies). On a short-term, death is really only a threat in extenuating circumstances such as sed, and the window between warrior survival and ranged death gets ever smaller as hp values between the two archetypes converge. And this analysis doesn't even include Dodge Lord.

Tl;dr: Warrior having more survivability than ranged is strictly not true, given that ranged have reach and generally more avoidability as well.

 

I figured someone would bring in the avoid argument when discussing that ranged have more survivability, but even a 30k HP ranged will die when sed'd into empowered tail whereas a warrior can live it, and get healed by a bishop. Not really sure why you're discussing potion costs/other effects since they aren't really relevant to survivability, unless you define survivability to be the number of potions someone uses in a boss fight. You can still continue to pot up when stunned or DP'd, and seds will hit you regardless of whether you have high avoid or not. I will admit though that anecdotally a nightlord sed does seem to fare better in scenarios where the bishop DCs compared to at least a DK sed (since they'll dodge more 1/1's when sed'd).

I don't disagree with you that dodging is better than tanking a hit (quite obviously) and that ranged characters will take less damage over a long fight as a result; however, my claim that warriors have more survivability boils down to the fact that when hit by a move, warriors will be able to survive in scenarios where a ranged character cannot (such as like you mentioned, getting 1/1'd into perhaps the crystal rock at HT or tanking a hit of the tail).

Edit: I didn't even take into account of hero/paladin guardian which increases their survivability substantially as well, especially when compared with archers/sairs although admittedly both heroes and pallies should probably be using a claymore anyways.