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Make All* Mastery Books Untradeable

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by HarleyEllis, Apr 8, 2022.

  1. HarleyEllis
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    *Not MW

    They're virtually all worthless now.
    If you want the book, you grind it, run the boss, or buy service.
    New multi-mage ulting setups will be marginally discouraged.
    Old ones won't play forever.
     
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    Why are you booing me? I'm right.

    For real though, let's hear some actual arguments against this, haven't gotten any convincing ones ingame yet. It's always just 'this is dumb' and 'change is bad'.

    Also, I agree with the sentiment of that suggestion post about mastery book drops needing redistribution, even if I can't vouch for their specific suggestions of which and how.
     
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    I don’t mind the idea that much. Though I wonder how horrible it would become when some boss exclusive books from zak and such are already such a pain to get
     
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    Its going to ruin the market, Genesis 20 used to be like 25mil maybe more.. atm its like below 5mil people are complaining about Horntail and other bosses mesos rates.

    Making them untradeable would also ruin guild banks holding mastery books for guildmates that might need them.
     
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    The Poverty Dragon would become even more poverty
     
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    Master books aren't daily used potions, it actually tend to be worthless.
     
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    They old buy vs do it yourself debate
     
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    Really not sure what this would solve. Raising the price of services? Or we could just leave things as they are and allow individuals to sell mastery books.

    Like what is the argument for making this happen? You haven't actually stated that, you just assert that it is good and proceeded to demand a better counterargument.

    A counterargument against what, exactly?
     
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    Are you saying this is bad? I say this is good.
     
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    Challenge yourself with this hard mode.
     
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    This suggestion also does absolutely nothing to solve multimage, since these books drop from bosses and can thus still be bought if untradeable (as is the case for like TT)
     
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    Certainly in isolation it's a drop in the bucket for discouraging the playstyle. While I wouldn't call it nothing, I acknowledge changes to mastery book distribution are also necessary.
     
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    Argument: you're tailoring this change to the 1% who make quad mages, while messing up the progression for the other 99% who just want to play and enjoy the game?
     
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    I wouldn’t say that. It would require much more effort to schedule and run bosses and actually get all the individual drops for each mage than just buying it off the FM. If you get cucked and the books don’t want to drop, it could take ages to get books for 4+ characters.
     
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    This is to make all skillbooks no longer worthless by forcing content and trading through services. 4th job skills being spoonfed is bad. The multimage effects are tangential.
     
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    I wouldn’t say it “ruins” progression. You might have to prioritize different skills if you want to actually run for the books instead of buying service. And it would be more engaging than just buy from the FM to progress.

    Not saying I agree with this suggestion as it is, more just playing devils advocate. Maybe if only blizzard and meteor shower books were made untradable, but that is a very different suggestion than the current one.
     
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    I see a lot more disagree reacts than actual criticisms. Where y'all at?
     
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    I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly, but isn't service the same as spoonfeeding? Unable to do it yourself so you pay someone else to do it for you (aka Zakum Helmet/HTP)? Most service buyers don't actually do anything during the run aside from spending more mesos and time for a skill upgrade.
     
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    Paying for skillbook service if you choose not to run the boss yourself is much less spoonfed than finding the book lying on the floor of fm or owling to buy for 50k.
     
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    You got a point. So playing devil’s advocate. If you were to restart all your characters. You will welcome this change wholeheartedly?
     

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