Very large wall for new players

First of all I want to say my experience playing more than 6 months on this server, it has been a very nice experience for me, balanced vocations, good attention from the gms and a nice community I would love to see this server continue to grow but from my point of view sight there is a very big wall for new players and it is that many maple players when they start tell us that washing hp is optional even in the guides they say it but as you play you realize that it is not, that is to say to be able to enjoy of the game at 100% you have to wash hp yes or yes and in this case for new players there are only two options to play without being able to wash correctly and lose part of the game content or cultivate indefinitely and/or create a magician to be able to leech and win some money faster. We all know that buying mesos with real money is baneable so you can't speed up that process by investing money in someone who wants to sell you the necessary int equipment to launder properly. I have had many friends that I have invited to the game and when I explain to them what the hp wash consists of, they simply stop playing, I don't know if it is on purpose and I don't think it is bad that you have to do the hp wash but they don't give new players options to be able to do it without having to invest a lot of time to be able to do it, not all of us have the time to be able to play 6 - 8 hours a day and make enough mesos to be able to buy equipment with int or to be able to do it yourself and not even to upload a mage to lvl 120+ for leech power. The suggestion that I can give is to raise the rate of mesos from x1 to x2 but I don't know if that breaks the economy of the game and the other option is that if they don't want players to sell mesos they give the option of being able to buy int equipment with money real, but I also don't know if this is a possible solution from the developers' point of view. I want to go back to this great server and start from scratch because I formatted my PC and lost all my old account data, but as the title of the post says, there is too big a wall for new players. I give my opinion with all due respect thanks for reading my post.

sorry if my english is bad im use the google translator

 

I don't think that skipping scrolling int gear is the best solution, keep in mind that to wash you must have spare mp and for that you need int, using your ap points to raise int then wash would mess up your whole game because it would be really impossible to level up alone, you would have to rely on PQ or other people to help you level up and the problem is not with nx because you can get it for free by voting, the problem is being able to get the necessary int equipment to be able to wash correctly

 

I honestly don't think that with 12k hp you can do all the content of the game relatively safely and that you can just play a warrior/bucc/shad and not worry about HP washing at all is totally untrue if you want to enjoy all the content of the game, to give a simple example, I will take as a reference a guide from this same forum of an experienced buccaneer:
"When I first started playing on this server, there was a common thought that the Buccaneer doesn't need to wash. I'd say this wasn't true then and it definitely isn't now. The truth is that we are sometimes asked to play as close as the warriors/shad (if not more), but we are given a mid-level HP pool without any form of direct damage reduction, we may have iframes and a decent level of avoidability to take hits less often than our brethren melee, but all of that is pointless if you get killed in one hit.

First, some rough HP milestones for high-end bosses (it varies a bit based on defense, but I think these numbers serve as a good upper bound on low defense. Correct me if I'm wrong):
~10k HP to touch Zak's body without Hyper Body
~12k HP to play Bigfoot without Hyper Body
~14k HP to tank Vergamot's third body attacks without Hyper Body
~14.5k HP to touch polished HT leg without Hyper Body
~15k to stack Toad magic attacks without Hyper Body
I forgot the value for HT heads, but is it something like 20k for half a head? Less for side heads
~19k-20k for Toad touch tank and Nameless claw without Hyper Body
~24k to touch Pink Bean"

In the guide he advises several plans for hp washing and the minimum he recommends for a buccaner is 16k hp I quote: this is probably the minimum HP you will need to do all the content currently. This level of HP will allow you to take a hit from Pink Bean with Hyper Body safely. You will definitely always need Hyper Body for Pink Bean, and you will likely die in Nameless and Toad without Hyper Body as well. Aside from bean fighting, you need to pay close attention to your perk bar and hope your DK will remember to constantly buff you up, or you'll likely die, it happens more often than you think. I mean it when I say it's a minimum threshold, and a lot of final buccs are being redone for the 25k-30k options

This is the guide link in case you want to know: https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...eers-field-guide-2021-update-pink-bean.34735/

 

Yeah I think you're right that the game would be easier with donations IRL and I'm not sure this is the ideal solution but as friend Camazotz says this is an issue that needs to be addressed. I just want to help fix this issue that may deter new players from playing on this wonderful server. Giving good ideas maybe we can solve it, if raising the mesos rate to x2 or allowing the buying/selling of mesos or int teams with real money is not the solution, we should look for another one, maybe by nerfing the damage of bosses or increasing the rewards at the end of the game killing the bosses could be a viable solution... I don't know, but my idea is to try to make this server better than it already is and remove that wall that prevents new players from joining this community.

 

Maybe you are a genius or a prodigy in this game to make HT without HB having a DK with 9.5k of hp taking into account your main ability to increase damage Berserk only works when you are below 40% health at lvl 30 because it is certain that the average of new players will end up dying or maybe your DK is just a mule to throw HB, you say that it is very easy to mule in but you would have to create another character for that purpose and lvl up it enough to be able to withstand those bosses and that requires skill, time and effort, the necessary hp depends on your vocation for example if you are a buccaneer you will not be able to do PB with a single touch you are dead even with hyper body and in HT you will suffer a lot for not to say that it will be almost impossible without mentioning Toad and Nameless you will always need a DK to be able to do the bosses and without DK you will have to be a genius or a prodigy to not make mistakes and die without mentioning that here in Latin America the ping usually goes up sometimes and yes in a boss race you have lag at a certain moment you die 100% for not being able to react in time and it's like the friend of the buccaner guide says that it happens more often than you think and it's totally true, my first character was a warrior I uploaded it at 140+ and I made him a hero and at a certain point I realized that I couldn't compare myself to other heroes who had done wash and i had a great disadvantage compared to them, I died at 120 due to one-touch bigfoot... be honest, washing hp is essential to be able to play comfortably and enjoy the game to the fullest the guide I showed you above is more than enough proof to confirm my reasoning. It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of many. I don't know why you try to cover the sun with a finger. That attitude just drives away new players who want to start playing on this server. It is true that 30k hp is not needed but it is mandatory to wash even a little and doing it without sacrificing the enjoyment of the game is impossible

 

Thank you for responding to my post and I think you are right, raising the meso rate is not the best solution

That is precisely the problem, if I want to start playing from scratch, I have to play with a character that I will not be able to wash and spend 1 year (or less depending on the time and knowledge that the person has, but assuming that it is a person who wants to play maple for the first time) playing to be able to accumulate enough mesos and thus be able to create the character that can wash and with which I can fully enjoy the game? That's more than enough to scare away new players.

I totally agree with you except for one thing depending on your vocation if you are going to need some gear with int because otherwise you will have to invest your ap points in int and that could mess up your early game like you said with heros and paladins is very easy to wash but with other vocations that require more mp to be able to wash like pirates or thieves it is more complicated

I apologize again for my bad English, I hope what I am writing is well understood ahahaha

 

I totally get what you're saying, from what I understand you need to maintain 140 base int from level 50 to 160 to get 14079 HP (correct me if I'm wrong please), but adding 140 to the base int won't lose much damage and will make solo leveling more tedious? I tried that with a pirate character raising the base int without having any equipment with int and in the PQs i was practically useless it had no damage and the solo leveling was really tedious the only way was to depend on others to be able to level up in PQ or Pay leech to be able to level up fast, which I didn't have due to lack of mesos. Like I said at the beginning, I understand what you're saying, but wouldn't that tactic ruin the gaming experience? For me it would definitely ruin the gaming experience.

I can understand that some refuse for different reasons but this is a reality, I don't think that increasing the mesos rate is a solution and although the payment/sale of mesos in real money could be a solution I don't think that the developers want to do that and the boss damage nerf doesn't seem like a good solution either

After thinking for a while I came up with a possible solution that in my opinion would be the best and it would be to slight nerf the HP washing and how would this be possible? Easy, the idea of washing hp is to be able to have more HP by sacrificing the remaining MP thanks to the extra Mp you get for having more Int, but this would be less necessary if the rate of hp gained per level was higher for example if a fighter gained 50 - 55 hp per level at lvl 200, you get 11k hp more or less, but if you increase the rate of hp gained to 60 - 65, for example, instead of 11k hp at lvl 200, you will get 13k hp, this might nerf a bit the amount of washing you would need, I think that the amount of mp lost by washing should also be increased so that it is not abused when gaining more hp with this method, of course this is just a suggestion and the idea is to make the game more accessible to new players as I honestly don't see it feasible to have a base 140 int for 110 levels where your damage will obviously decrease by a lot extent and obviously it would ruin your gaming experience