Do Heros use Panic/Coma?

Welcome to the server! although i have nothing substantial to add to answer your question, i just wanted to say that yes, quite a handful of guides are currently outdated and the classes that aren't are typically so because they are more relevant to the meta of this server.

Regardless, don't let that tarnish your experience as this is YOUR story. Have fun, and i hope you enjoy your time here!

 

As someone who skipped maxing coma/panic because I leeched my hero past third job entirely - and then later spent a ton of NX to reset it back, I'd suggest going with a regular build. They buffed panic last year and there may be more changes coming for Heroes in the next few patches. People have been speculating a long overdue Hero rework.

With that said, both Panic and Coma got a huge buff from its original numbers, so I wouldn't skip out on these since it seems like this will be the crux of any future changes. They're useful in 3rd job grinding and have niche uses in 4th job. Personally, I went Max Combo, Panic, Coma, and Armor Crash and put 20 into Shout, which I will max out late in 4th job.

Improving MP recovery is a somewhat niche play that can potentially save you during mass seduce, but with the current Horntail meta you aren't going to be running into mass seduce often enough to make use of it.

Armor Crash is pretty great in situations where Bishops die/dc, and they can have niche uses in things like Dunas. There have been a handful of Horntail runs where this occurred and our Heroes were meme'd on for not having Armor Crash leveled up at all.

Unless there is a huge overhaul in how defense works, Shield Mastery is completely skippable.

 

Panic is nice damage boost for 3rd job, but pretty much useless for 4th job. During 3rd job, when you're mobbing and thinned out the crowd (say at himes), sometimes a full hp mob walks by. Normally, you'd hit it with a power strike or slash blast and start luring a crowd again so you can mob. However, you can pretty much 1-shot it with panic, then start luring again to gather a crowd, giving you maybe a 10-20% exp boost per hour. It makes a difference, but it's not significant.

I mainly use panic when my combo is running out at single-target bosses. Thus, every 200 seconds, I'd hit 100k, rather than 50k with a brandish (25k x 2). Most of the time, I don't bother anymore and just re-cast combo. 50k extra damage every ~3min doesn't really do much when you hit 3m dpm per mob (0.55% damage boost). If I'm doing cleave, like at cwkpq, it's better to just recast to build a faster combo for brandish. If you plan to rav with your guild before you get a high level brandish, it's also useful for that early 4th job bossing.

Coma isn't really useful as there are few mobs you want to stun, and don't outright want to kill with Panic. Coma doesn't work on bosses due to their stun resistance, so it's never really used in 4th job.

Neither of them fully refresh your combo buff, so you'll have to re-cast combo anyways every ~200s.

In conclusion, Coma = poop. Panic = marginally beneficial in 3rd job and poop in 4th job.

 

Yup, these numbers are up to date.

 

There are a couple of other situations where Panic gets used like if you are trying to gain priority aggro of a mob so that you can rush it. Personally, I'd skip out on Coma over Panic since Panic tends to have more use cases overall. Those 30 points can get divvied up into Shout, MP Recovery, etc.

 

its not totally useless, can help some dmp/eph

 

I don't have a Hero, but would just like to add my 2 cents in case it's helpful:

If you have spare NX (which you should have more of compared to other classes), you can consider leveling Panic/Coma anyway and resetting them later on.
This is especially useful if you're going to take time to level instead of rushing via leech, so you'll get a lot more use out of the skills.
In this case, you can also test out how often you actually use the skills yourself and decide again later in 4th job, whether you want to reset them or not.

Really, this applies to all classes, but especially so for Heroes and Paladins because they only need minimal washing.

 

1. Do Heros in realistic scenarios ever use these skills(Panic, Coma)?
When I hit 3rd job I used Coma to grind alot as I didn't have many SPs in my baby Combo at the time and it helped me out quite a bit. (I'd charge 1-2 Orbs and use Coma)

Past 4th - I only use it when my Adv Combo is about to expire, I'll use Panic when facing a single target and Coma when facing multiple mobs.
It is overall pretty niche and you don't have to max Coma unless you want to. (& can reset it past 3rd job)

Shout comes in handy during Jiaocheng/Some Neo Tokyo bosses runs when it spawns mobs, stunning them helps everyone out

MP Recovery will allow you to pop Hero's Will every once in a while when you're sedded - which I found really useful esp. in HT.

2. If they are ever used, does it dramatically affect leveling efficiency for levels 70-120 before brandish becomes available?
Yes, if you plan to grind your way up.

3. Are they ever fully replaced by brandish or any other 4th job skills, or do niche uses for either Panic/Coma remain all the way up through end game?
I personally use them whenever I can past 4th, I know most people don't bother with it.

One thing that isn't really addressed in Grizz's guide is Enrage - I highly recommend maxing it when you can - the 5 att boost is great to have and it was changed to be non-dispellable which makes it even better when bossing.

Welcome to the server! I hope you have lotsa fun here

 

i am the best hero on the server atm.
with that being said yes pro heroes such as myself do use panic on bosses right before combo attack runs out.
when you have enrage maxed for max efficiency you will use combo attack>enrage right away>when combo attack starts to fade use panic
and coma is good for earlier level grinding, very good at CDs.

 

My personal experience is:
with max Combo Attack and Coma, you get very slightly higher damage using coma + slash blast as opposed to just using slash blast.
for me, this difference is very minor, i ended up not using coma.

 

arrhhh shut up man u use axe

 

should make a pally or drk because
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/what-is-the-worst-class.43053/

 

Pally is probably a better choice if we are going by meta, but i personally disagree with drk, unless you are fine with zerking.

HB may get u more runs but imo Heroes despite the votes, still gets to participate every bosses. The only ones heroes gets left out are the super sweaty runs, such as 6-10 man PB and 15 man PB.

 

Swords are just better, have some posts in forum talking about dmg range and stuff like dat, just look for it