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Do Heros use Panic/Coma?

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by twing1, Apr 19, 2022.

  1. JKNS
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    JKNS Selkie Jr.

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    Swords are better than Axes. Brandish is always 1 swing + 1 stab, and the stab penalty outweighs the slash bonus on Axes for both 1H and 2H (and is significantly harsher on 2H).

    1H Sword: Swing Multiplier = 4, Stab Multiplier = 4: Net Multiplier = 8
    1H Axe: Swing Multiplier = 4.4, Stab Multiplier = 3.2: Net Multiplier = 7.6
    2H Sword: Swing Multiplier = 4.6, Stab Multiplier = 4.6: Net Multiplier = 9.2
    2H Axe: Swing Multiplier = 4.8, Stab Multiplier = 3.4: Net Multiplier = 8.2

    Assuming same Weapon Speed and net WA (a 2H Weapon having equal attack to its 1H Weapon + Shield), 2H Sword > 2H Axe > 1H Sword > 1H Axe, but between the 10 slots for Attack on your Shield, you can probably even put 1H Sword above 2H Axe.

    It'd be slightly different if Brandish weren't a fixed Swing + Stab (BW has the same modifiers as Axe, but with Blast maintaining the 3:2 Swing:Stab ratio and there being good options for 1H BWs in Crushed Skulls and Graves, there is a more reasonable case to go 1H BW, though even then 2H Sword is still the best option).
     
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    asdsaou Mushmom

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    You should probably focus on putting that money into a Claymore rather than a Stonetooth (ST). A perfect 106 ST is a lot more expensive (120M) than a perfect 110 Dclay (35M). This is due to the fact that Dclays can be crafted for like 4-5m each from beheaders, and ST are only dropped from black crow and toad. St reduces brandish time from 750ms to 690ms, which is an 8.7% damage boost. With SI (very common when bossing), the two are the same speed. If we look at it from an opportunity cost point of view, roughly speaking, a 130 Dclay is worth 200m, and a 119 ST is worth 200m. Let's say you have a cape and MoN which give you 9 Watt. At a 200m budget point, the ST would do 0.1% more without SI, and 7.9% less with SI. It's only in the several billions when a ST starts to make slightly more sense than a DClay. A perfect DClay (145 Watt, 11.5B roughly?) vs a +6 ST with 1 slot left (136 Watt, 11.5B roughly?), with an extra 20 Watt from Cape / MoN, would result in the ST doing 2.8% more without SI, and 5.5% less with SI. However, if you got perfect gear for bossing, you're likely bossing with an abundance of SI available already.
     
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    iccqqq Dark Stone Golem

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    here bro i made an optimal hero guide for you:
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Show dpm 45
     
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    lord kniizer Slime

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    130 att in 2h Sword for 200m?! if u r selling i pay 350m xD. idk if u r playing now or just dont know about prices. but 131-132 att 2h sword (NT or Clay) its really close to 1b :pigeon:
     
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    asdsaou Mushmom

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    It should definitely not be anywhere close to 1B. With 1B, you could easily 3-4x your money by crafting and scrolling swords.
     
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    twing1 Pink Teddy

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    Thank you! Something like this is exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated! ^_^
     
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    Stance88 Dark Stone Golem

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    On my Hero back in the day I used to use Panic when the orbs are about to run out on a boss, or 1shot a mob again when orbs are about to run out. That's about it.. Maybe not to much use but that's a real use case scenario you'll find yourself in if you grind without leech and use Coma/Panic throughout 3rd job and end up having the skills in 4th.
     

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