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Information Anniversary/Summer Event 2022 Balance Changes [Explained]

Discussion in 'Update Notes' started by Nise, Aug 13, 2022.

  1. BedtimePJs
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    I am extremely impressed with all of the changes! Everything was very reasonable and had a good explanation as to why it was being changed. Great job ML staff! OnionLove
     
  2. Ambrose
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    Also for NL’s, since shadow star was nerfed back to vanilla, why not rebuff alchemist back to vanilla?
     
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  3. Daydreamer
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    Changes to shadow star and increased star recharge costs are NL nerfs, right?
     
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    i understand many of these changes and some are really helpful, but i can't help but feel that massive price hike for things like star recharges and pots just hurts new or casual players, even if you believe it's mathematically justified. i know i can't speak for everyone, but not everyone has a huge supply of mesos for funding, and the pressure to have all cures and coke pills and other supplies for things like pqs remains unchanged, so now it's a huge expense for people with less disposable income, while longer-term players who have the financial ability to keep up may not like it but at least can afford it. it's really intimidating as a newer player to have to calculate the cost of grinding based on income, and i think it will narrow choices for levelling activities to things that generate the most return for the lowest expenditures just to stay afloat.

    i appreciate the thought that went into this, and i hope my prediction is wrong by all means... but i really truly hope you guys consider this perspective of less-financed players, and how it might detract from their experience on legends. thank you. <3
     
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  5. XiannvTeng02
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    Thanks for all the changes and balances!

    I understand the reasoning...Still, why "punish" the majority of the community (casual players I assume) by increasing the price of necessities for the meta meso farming from a small group of hardcore players (don't get me wrong - I respect whatever way people enjoy the game)? Maybe I am wrong and almost everyone is meta meso farming :).

    Maybe consider a progressive tax in trading where trades involving larger amount of meso pay a higher tax rate? Or for trades which use coins as currency, charge a tax based on the number of coins traded, e.g. 2.5%*average market value of one coin*number of coins traded.

    Anyways thanks for everything!
     
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  6. Motto
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    I was bashed so hard for this potion cost thread suggestion so long ago. (2 years ago-ish)

    I want to tell everyone that bashed me / laughed at my suggestion :

    Eat dirt [​IMG]
     
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  7. Audemars
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    The economy is missing cash sink because of the introduction of coins imo. Wealthy players dodge tax by trading coins on big ticket items while casual players who rarely trade at all is being punished by pricier necessities (???)
     
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  8. ngrman
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    ngrman Stone Golem

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    What's the time frame for the boss entries graph?
     
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  9. Daydreamer
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    I'd like to propose that Mini Coke nerf be reverted as the current change listed here is purely a nerf to STR mages. :(
     
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  10. buffyfluffy
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    Tbh its kinda like real life....... necessities like food prices (aka pots ) keep going up but the rich will be able to afford it nevertheless. What they should be doing is taxing the rich not the entire population. There has to be another way of draining mesos than increasing pot prices. 95% of the player base probably doesn't meso farm at all, please target the correct group of people :cry::cry::cry:
     
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  11. Vibin
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    if we are evolving to a more risk-reward skill based gameplay NLs needs a damage nerf since they are the easiest class in the game by far
     
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    Firstly, commendable efforts to the GMs and BT with new strategies to address end game bossing and attempting to fix the influx of meso from multimaging.
    No doubt that these new methods of meso sinks could prove to be effective to fix the problem.

    However, this penalizes casual/blooming players as well.
    Not too sure how players who uses these NLC pots are working towards their first 100m are going to afford better gear and progress with these new costs.
    The rich can afford this new change, but my concern lies for the newer players who still just play for nostalgia.

    I personally have IRL friends who have started playing again because Legends is available on Mac again (good job nise!!! :yay:)
    This time, speaking as an advocator for the minority, I'm not sure how these active third job players (lv30-70) are going to stay on playing as they move up.

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    It seems like there are 2 groups of people playing -
    1. Loyal Players who continue playing, after post-200 like me (which this Balance change have addressed strongly about)
    2. New Players on their first character, before lv130 (People without mules or multimaging or ability to boss)

    Aufheben and Neo Tokyo part 2 satisfies Group 1 with content, but Group 2 (minority) would probably need a more feasible method for meso farming.
    I'm not sure how many active players there are in this game that only plays for nostalgia.
    But to my knowledge, gach is their only way of income if bossing is not yet an option.
    Better drops in Party Quests would be a good option until Lv100 (PPQ).
    The rich buy leech, but how would real players from 100-135 be supported then?

    It would be interesting to have a 360° ecosystem plan that is relevant to both types of players for equality and player retention :)

    Raising tax to 5-10% for items above 200m would be a better targeted penalty if your end goal is directed towards the sweaties kekw
     
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  14. ShadowRealm
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    FINALLY, It's about freaking time. Highly requested assasinate change suggestion since forever. Great step

    We post bb shadowers now. When will we get %boss damage next? /s
     
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    iccqqq Dark Stone Golem

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    very nice changes!
     
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  16. Camazotz
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    I already lose money on most of my hosted 12 man HT runs due to pot costs :arghh:. Recruiting bouta be even more difficult.
     
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    Damn this is a crazy THICC Juicy patch isn't it? Love the 30% scroll drops for someone like me who will likely never be amazing at getting tons of white scrolls.

    Solution - farm Leprechauns for All Cure drops along with mesos bag picks up kekw.
     
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    will sed stun bug be fixed?
     
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