Recharge Projectiles or Implement Subclass change

Just switch back to ilbis if you're poor, NLs are still high dpm without their MTKs and BFs.

You could also just be slightly more resourceful than a 4 year old in figuring out how to make meso.

 

But you can opt to use more economical stars and spend your mesos on better gears instead? Making BF and MTK more of an endgame star instead of something people use at KPQ/LPQ.

Do night lords fall off their dpm throne (and if so by how much) if they lose a little attack from using lower tier stars? Do they now spend much more than other jobs for a boss run?

I think they're still in a good spot but don't have the experience with the class, would love to see some analysis on this. Somewhat related, buccs and shads really benefit alot from the pot cost increase and should probably get looked into.

 

Almost like recharging throwing stars should be similar to actual repotting, considering the class already uses fewer with inherent better dodge rates and Shifter. If anything, old recharge rates were absurdly cheap and this is definitely a more fair change.

 

It is absolutely bullshit to be taxed for a problem multi mage is causing. Like NL isn't one of the most expensive classes to fund already lol. Fix the problem or tax the problem harder. (My nub ass aint even using ilbi yet and annoyed at these prices)

 

The decline of the night lords has BEGAN.

 

This has nothing to do with multimaging...

 

Can you remove me from this thread? I was honestly just kidding in shoutbox, didn't mean to trashtalk / laugh at NLs who feel fucked over. Thank you!

 

Shawn ily but you should have your forum license revoked

 

Instead of assassins immediately jumping to some of the strongest endgame stars at level 10, they may actually look into using some of the weaker stars now when possible for a vastly economical approach. Rather than the illbis (35 meso per star->27 att), a wooden top will recharge for virtually the same price illbi used to (1 meso per star->19 att). As levels go up, the amount of meso gained on kills go up (and even more in 3rd job with meso-up+alchemist), to afford more expensive stars. Until then, assassins should be using weaker stars that have exponentially reduced cost.

Even an endgame player should look to gain the majority of the damage for much less cost by using the right star for the job. This may be a nerf to high-end stars, but its also a buff to star diversity.

Tl;dr Why spend 35*2 mesos using lucky 7 on a snail with ilbi when you can spend 0.5*2 meso using a wolbi instead. Save the big stars for bossing.

 

So ideally speaking.

If you have 12 sets of MTKs you're looking at 115k * 12 = 1.4m/charge.

Where is the issue?

To be fair, I'm a shadower, so its not like I care much about this change, cause to be fair, its good to see some changes being given to one of the best ranged DPS class in the game.

But lets be honest, paying 1.4m/charge is jack shit.
That amount of money can be re-made, and more can be gained just by grinding, even as an NL.
PLUS the fact you could have 2 setups, one for bossing and one for grinding, by using Ilbis.
(Which inherently cost less to charge)

Its quite normal for more "advanced" RPGs to make you do setup changes in regards to the environment, I'm happy its being slowly set into Legends too.
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In relation to the change NL to Shad, yeah nah... you don't want to do that, if not for the fact we have a better shifter, we're kinda meh for bossing / whatever choice made you decide to play an NL.
You'll most likely be a solo grinder at maps, farming meso, maybe doing some bossing (with the changed Nate most likely, but its not like we are that much good... heck we are shit... ya know Jack of All Trades, shit at everything tho kek).

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I'm not sure why the whole SSing of Discord, Shoutbox and ingame chat and then circling "Friendly Community", all I see is fair replies to the topic, nothing toxic, perfectly normal player takes.

 

The pricing is bad mostly because it fails to account for less considered efficiencies in weapon attack potion cost, along with late game gear scaling.

The earliest a person can even consider using MTKs over BFs is roughly when 1 bil no longer buys a 1 attack upgrade, so you would need roughly a 13 attack cape, 17 attack gloves, and a perfect claw before you can even consider purchasing MTKs. Even then, it's probably still more efficient aim for smaller attack boosts with gear upgrades as they don't incur an increased operational cost. If you can consider WSing gloves to be roughly 1.2bil per attack, then after reaching that point can you consider purchasing your MTKs.

At the same time, with your mesos front-loaded into gear rather than stars, you are able to utilize attack potions to mitigate any potential DPM differences, especially if you're willing to look at the differences between costs of operation between ilbis+heartstoppers and MTKs. With mesos frontloaded into gear rather than stars, you can essentially just mimic the effect of running MTKs by using 1 heartstopper every 40 minutes, and the difference in DPM is a thin margin with the same operational cost.

It's a bad change because it doesn't seem well thought out. I don't think MTKs are worth buying or using outside of the top few % of NLs, and even BFs seem dubious to use. The only thing it's accomplished is making the "best" star in the game into a noob trap, and the meta should evolve to simply ignore it entirely.