Buff Crusader's Shout Skill

I don't think this skill was intended to be a mob clearing AOE like mage's 3rd job skills. I think the purpose is to stun as a crowd control. Although as a dagger warrior I too would enjoy having this do more damage

 

If not damage, it could also get a buff in monsters hit and range.

 

It certainly would make the class more interesting since baby heroes don't really get anything that great during that stage, unlike dks which get their new mobbing skills and wks with the option to choose between 3 different elemental charges depending on the map they want to grind and also when they want to hunt HH.

 

It does make logical sense that a shout would be full map aggro.

 

I had an idea before of changing Shout into having:

• A cooldown of 30~15 seconds based on skill level
• Has same Attack Range as Dk's Roar
• No longer stuns but buffs Mobs to have Speed Buff
• Does more damage and scales from mob count of 6 to 15 at max level.

Would give Heroes the abilities to lure mobs to them and make them a very good grinding class with other pt members (or solo)

 

Sounds like the good old vac hack maybe a little OP

 

I could get behind buffing stun % to 100% at max level, and increasing target cap from 6 -> 15.

A measly 30% damage surely warrants a 100% stun rate.

 

I always felt that Paladin's 2nd job skill Threaten should do that.

 

It would make more sense for Threaten to do so. pre-Pallies could use the help moreso than pre-Heroes. Wouldn't know what to do with Shout though

 

I think it actually makes the most sense to make Shout work as you suggested and make Threaten add a % debuff to a single mob, including bosses. My understanding is that later versions of pre-BB MS had Threaten function in this way and as Paladin is a potent bosser on Legends and already has a large AOE skill in Heaven's Hammer, maybe Threaten shouldn't also pull mobs.

 

Please do not change this skill at all as it is extremely useful as it is in nt2 content. Also a great way to get low lv mobs cards. No changes at all needed imo (18x hero here)

 

WK is one of the best 3rd jobs with great grinding spots due to elements so idk about this. Their problems are at 120-135 when they're SP starved to hell.

I'm all for making Threaten better though and the idea is neat. Just making threaten aggro mobs would be cool. This is now a pala thread

 

I agree with you that the spirit and basic function of the skill shouldn't be changed as its a nice crowd control skill that fits nicely with Hero's cleave identity, but I do believe the stun success chance an be bumped up to 100%. This wouldn't add any extra damage to the skill and allow the skill to keep its focus as a purely utility skill, and only give the stun a little bit of added reliability. There is nothing worse than fighting RNG and having to spam shout 3x in a row because you hit the 5% lotto twice.

Take a look at a gunslinger's (2nd job skill) that does 120% damage to 3 monsters and also has a 100% chance to stun them. I get that shout attacks 6 monsters instead of 3, but doesn't the measly 30% damage justify a 100% stun rate?

 

I core almost daily where shout is used constantly and i don't feel any need to buff the stun changes. That's my opinion

 

Not sure why folks are rallying around shout (an actually good utility skill), and not around coma. 95% stun is plenty enough to be reliable, and people seem to ignore the fact that it is an enormous 10 second stun. It most definitely fills its role.

Coma on the other hand? Not even worth the sp at the moment, outside of maybe 3rd job grinding before brandish overwhelms it, even on 6 mobs. It's also got a stun effect that is overshadowed by shout, reppacing shout's long stun with a much shorter stun and -10 orbs. This is now a coma thread.

 

I dont see how you can buff coma without making rest of warriors irrelevant
I used coma alot training in 3rd job, it was really worth using to get the extra dmg every few attacks on a stack of mobs.
If you buff its stun duration, will still not be a good skill latsr on because shout is better and it absorbs orbs
If you buff the dmg, it will make cleaving more powerful which is counter productive.
To be really honest i think heros are in a really good spot right now and shouldn't be touched at all

 

Even with an increase to 100% damage, the attack speed of shout is simply too low to be useful as a mobbing skill. Plus shout only hits 6 at a time. Shout can be used very effectively in combination with a crusader's mobbing skills. In my opinion, one of the distinct characteristics and part of the appeal of being a crusader is being a close-quarters combat class. It's better to accept the fact that crusaders are not DKs. Shout is a stun skill, not a mobbing skill. That's what slash blast and coma are for, coma being quite a powerful skill on it's own if used correctly. There needs to be continuing distinction between the classes. Different classes need to have distinct strengths and weaknesses. That's part of the nostalgia. Blending everything into one and making everything completely smooth and seamless is part of what ruined GMS. There needs to be enough class/job distinction that it keeps the social aspect alive. In other words, it's better if we have to rely on each other and not be able to do it all ourselves.

Give yourself some time with the class. I personally like hero but it's definitely not for everyone. Perhaps DK is more your style. I just don't want to see the class distinction blurred, or worse, erased all together.