small rage buff

Rage does not need a buff, Heros are already in a decent state as is.

 

I feel like rage is in a good spot as a 2nd job skill, but enrage could use some serious buffs. Enrage is 4th job, takes at least 18 SP to make useful, and only provides 6 extra att for 4min, with a 6min cooldown, at lvl30. That's pretty much a 2-3% damage buff for 30 SP.

 

Not really a big fan of buffing basically free WA bonuses or pots but what say... maybe 20 > 21 att? Giving those min maxers something to consider during runs

 

How much would you pay to upgrade your 14 attack glove to a 20 attack glove?

 

For Rage, I think the pot price rescaling was a buff in itself which makes Rage an economical party utility. In the past, staff worked around this balance by making ciders less stackable, but that proved to not do much because ciders were basically free at 1k cost. Back then, 20 attack from attack potions was standardized. Now with their 10k cost, ciders aren't automatically the go-to option, and rage is more welcome in low-budget runs like rav/pap/zak where some people may opt for coke pills instead to save on cost. Rage would then provide the party with +4 attack to the coke pill alternative.

The enrage conversation is a bit more nuanced. In the past, Enrage scaling made no sense at all because you had less attack bonus than rage until something like level 21. That has since been changed and the starting attack bonus is 21 even at level 1.
My main wish for Enrage is that it could be given some secondary purpose, like how Concentrate has the -mp spend secondary buff, so that it can be used in conjunction with higher attack buffs (HT buff, PB buff, apple, etc.) I thought it would be cool if Enrage could boost Heroes orb refresh rate so that you could squeeze out a few more Panics per minute, but I'm not sure how difficult that would be to code.

 

10k changes choices marginally, nothing if not. I've mentioned raising it to 100k in the past before changes which makes more sense economically speaking and promoting inclusitivity.

 

Heros are in an excellent place right now, people are getting greedy with buffs ideas when the class really doesn't need it

 

I'm guessing marginal changes was the goal. Nobody's going to use ciders if they're 100k, and nobody's going to force a spot exclusively for Heroes for 4 attack gain if they don't fit into the comp anyways.

Heroes are in a much better spot today than they were before with the several minor adjustments they got. A couple more QoL things like making Combo Orb recast lagless like shadow star would be icing on top. They're not a top tier class by any means, but they do fine in the melee/cleave category. You aren't going to change their utility by making ciders even more expensive to the point coke pills just become the standard.

 

Yes cider price was broken af

 

Rage don't need a buff, they already nerfed ciders and nx weather buffs enough for us and Enrage is good enough too, it's really only 2 minutes of downtime.
If anything, maybe increase Panic's range because it's weirdly short.

 

You probably are yet to discover the potential and benefits GOOD Heroes have and share.

 

make it wa22 or wa24
the only reason i shout out for rage is bcoz it will override cider
bm's Concentrate hv different cd timing and habitually i ll just cider coz every1 else is still hving rage
but then rage comes later will make cider wasted

 

Whether Hero is in a good state overall or not, the class is already really strong amongst the melees, with one of their only downsides being the lack of party utility.

It would be hard to buff Hero in isolation when their damage + durability + cost efficiency + ease of use is already top tier.