Ghost Ship safe spot alternatives

I find cleric to be one of the most boring classes to grind to begin with, so the fact that there is no safe spot here just makes it worse. The stairs nerf was justified but I also agree there should be at least a rope or something. It is already boring there why does it have to be boring and annoying? They want everyone playing this game to have an HS mule anyway so what’s the point in making it more obnoxious for everyone (by everyone I mean mostly new players who didn’t get to abuse stairs).

Taipei is just a little bit higher in level range and way more OP + way less obnoxious. The excuse that it’s a leeching nerf is pathetic when maps in higher level ranges exist that are just better and less annoying.

 

Ah yes, playing the game is boring so you'd rather have it be more afk. Makes sense.

 

How did the afk training part change? Seems like the only change resulted is more unintentional griefing.

 

err, a safe spot that you can hit mobs and mobs cant hit you = fine to afk?

 

The change affects only afk leech sellers and buyers. Everything else is player skill issue. If you're repeatedly dying because safe spots were removed in a map and you make zero effort to adjust your playstyle, that's on you.

How much more handholding do you guys expect?

 

Why not remove safe spots from all leeching maps then? Seems a weird hill to die on that one low level map nerf is critical given that its just a QoL reduction.

 

Because that would be a different change entirely.
Seems like a weird hill to die on defending leech on a crowded map that has historically been used for grinding when there are several other alternatives.

 

In this thread, someone brought up the rationale staff had for the change. The intention was clearly not to punish leech.

https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...s-event-2021-balance-changes-explained.43806/

My understanding is that staff wanted to remove afk training on the stairs. Maybe your inference is different.

Well, stair training has been eliminated, and nobody is asking for this to be brought back. Although as others have pointed out, afk training is still possible for clerics.

Meanwhile, the removal of rope safe spot just led to a slight inconvenience that can easily addressed. Maybe you enjoy this inconvenience but to each its own.

 

My philosophy on this matter is that players should find their own solutions rather than asking for changes from staff. This game is meant to be played by players, not carved out by staff. OP already pointed out that they found a solution in moving to a different map. Seems redundant to revert or make for new changes when a solution has already been found.

 

Exactly, you just answered your own question to your thread that I myself mentioned in post #18

 

With this philosophy, the suggestion subforum should be closed then. Unclear why OP posted a thread when a "solution has already been found".

 

There's a reason why 99% of suggestions here go unanswered.

 

Yup hence no need to shoot them down further, they are already fighting a losing battle.

 

Cleric is still just as afk as a class with or without a rope, so I don’t really get what your point is here. My point is no safe spot is annoying, and any serious player will be here for a long time.

 

Quite contrary, I think it's important to dismantle suggestions and point out why they shouldn't be implemented.

Does every map require a safe spot? Should people who afk in a map always have the comfort of knowing they won't accidentally get bumped and killed? You guys talk as if this is some big problem that happens all the time, but it's not. If you're frequently dying because you're afking in a map with no guaranteed safe spot, that's on you. You are fully capable of figuring out a way not to die, but instead, you'd rather ask for even more custom changes to the map than fix your own playstyle. This is a non-issue.

 

Isn't this a custom change to begin with? You should have been opposing it when it was released then.

Like you said, it isn't a big problem. Players are just annoyed that it causes inconvenience while barely affecting gameplay. The change can be reverted today and it will barely affect any grinding or leeching. The only thing it does is to reduce instances of some newbie clerics enter the map, heal, and oopsie feels bad.

 

No, it would allow for players to leech and have their buyers afk comfortably in the map, which means more people selling leech in a fairly popular grinding map. It's been said like 20 times in this thread.

 

Yup and as mentioned multiple times, it wasn't even in the original intention stated by staff. The inconvenience to leechers is just a side effect that was not stated in the purpose.

Since you keep bringing up it being about an anti-leech measure, appreciate if you could post another suggestion about all the afk leech maps that shouldn't allow for comfortable afking.